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Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by Leggy » Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:18 pm

The clock is ticking for the free upgrade to Windows 10 from Win 7 and I just wondered if you planned to do it? After much thought I've decided to stay with Win 7 64 bit as I have a stable system that is working well and I hope that it will be supported for quite a few years to come. Any final thoughts on the best thing to do at this point?


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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by raino » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:00 pm

I'm torn too. But with the clock ticking I'm leaning towards the upgrade. I've upgraded my other computers to 10 awhile back, so I feel comfortable using 10. Although I still prefer 7's easy to use Start menu over the clunky boxes on 10. I am concerned that in the future I'll have to move to 10 because something requires it & then I'd need to pay MS for it. Also I've seen folks I trust on this forum saying it works fine for them.

At least I'll get rid of the annoying upgrade to 10 popups (but sadly then join the update windows when big brother, er Microsoft, tells you to scheme).
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by John Purser » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:46 pm

Upgraded 2 weeks ago. Very pleased. No problems with any software I've been running, from Cubase to Adobe Premere, After Effects, etc;
DO IT :)
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by WillB » Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:22 pm

Why wouldn't you? You are already in the past. Soon you'll be stuck there. Windows 10 is a superior OS. I've used W10 since the Insider Program began in 2014 and as frustrating as it was in the very beginning it was very interesting to see it develop into a fast stable OS system and the day Steinberg gave the ok I updated my two 8.1 systems running Cubase. No looking back ever. I continue to participate in the Insider Program and running the soon to be released "Anniversary" version (on computer that are not DAWs) I can say that this update takes it to a whole new level. I hope Steinberg is testing internally this major update so soon after its release they'll give approval to run Cubase with it. Once you use W10 and you have to do something on a W7 machine you ask yourself how you tolerated Win7 OS. That is my option based on my experience.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by toader » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:36 am

Using Windows 10 here on two different DAW computers... It has been a painless transition - things are working very well! :D
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by Ricardo79 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:39 am

WillB,
I am assuming your question "why wouldn't you?" isn't rhetorical. In my case I have an older Focusrite Saffire firewire interface that doesn't work on W10 so I'll stick with W7 on my DAW for now. I'm holding out to see if Thunderbolt interfaces become mainstream and then update my system rather than pick up a USB interface with greater latency (although the new Scarlett 2 range looks interesting).

I too have been using W10 on another machine since the Insider days and it is an improvement over W7 but to put things in perspective; over the years I've seen much larger step changes like Dos to Window so this one doesn't seem so important to me.

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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by raino » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:48 am

WillB wrote:Why wouldn't you? You are already in the past. Soon you'll be stuck there. Windows 10 is a superior OS. ... Once you use W10 and you have to do something on a W7 machine you ask yourself how you tolerated Win7 OS. That is my option based on my experience.
I appreciate the perspective. I wonder if you might elaborate on what you specifically find so superior. I've been running Win10 on two non-DAW systems for 6 months or so I am familiar with using it (and have to admit it is a vast improvement over the mess of Win8). Most of the changes I find kinda meh, either being almost the same as Win7 or different but not particularly better or worse. But there are a couple of things that I still prefer how Win7 behaved.

One is the Start menu (at least they put it back in). In Win7 it's a clean easy to access list of alphabetized programs & folders. In Win10 I get a bunch of blocks arranged in seemingly random groups - which can be rearranged, thanks MS for taking something easy and making it more work for me to manage. And yes I know I can go to All Apps (yeah an extra click!) to see the list. But the list is now clunkier to use because everything got bigger ('cause MS needs it to work with tablet fingers even if I don't).

The other thing I find really annoying is having minor OS updates forced upon me. At least I figured out how to let me choose when it reboots instead of just doing it. But I half expect to log into this forum and find an 8 page topic that was started last night about how the latest MS push broke Cubase.

From my experience I've found the Win10 changes to range from neutral to mildly annoying. And that might be fine if there were other things that were "WOW!!! I'm so glad I can do that now", but I haven't seen them (although they might be there).

All that aside, it's probably that I haven't spent much effort studying the ins-and-outs of Win10, because there is enough for me to do already. I'm willing to believe that I might love Win10 and am quite open to hearing what might cause that to happen.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by WillB » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:41 am

I suggest you research the subject on sites such as WindowsCentra,com and WinBeta.org. There are excellent articles and WC has a vast forum.

Obviously using Win10 should show you the way forward and your issues with Win10 vs. Win7 are subjective preferences some of which will be changing in a few weeks as the Anniversary release approaches. If you have an old computer just join insider Program to experience it in its current state right now, and it is close to release with many more features and improvements to the entire Win10 ecosystem ie desKtop, tablet, mobile, Xbox One, HoloLens, OneDrive etc etc.

One of my Insider test computers is a eight year old Lenovo Thinkpad and Win10 runs great on it.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by marQs » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:06 am

The forced updates and the weird privacy settings (resetting themselves partly by those forced updates) are an issue, don't you think?

Here's a dude who explains pretty well what's going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kGMCfb2xw

I prefer staying on Windows 7 for the while, giving me the feeling of having more control over my computer instead of my computer is working for itself (respectively for unwanted OS modifications) in the first place before I can start to work.

It is pretty likely that the 'free' upgrade offer will be continued anyway.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by jconstantine » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:07 am

I upgraded and all was a mess.
So I'm back on Win 7.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by John Purser » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:38 am

I'm pleased to say GodMode still works on Windows 10!
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by silhouette » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:21 am

I am still on Windows 8.1 and fairly happy - although part of that is using Classic Shell to create the illusion of Windows 7. I am primarily worried about UAD and Windows 10. Also doing an over-install has caused me many issues on my laptop and I can't face the week or so of downtime re-installing and authorising etc.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by GargoyleStudio » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:02 pm

I will upgrade to Win10 before the offer runs out simply to take advantage of the free licence. But, I may well just go back to using Win7 anyway. The advantage of upgrading is that you actually activate the free Win10 licence for your hardware but you don't necessarily have to keep using it. So if you clone your Win7 disk first, then clone your Win10 disk, you can go back to Win7 and always pop back up to Win10 later when your favourite devices/software/whatever is supported. Or you can then go for a full clean install of Win10. But the point is that you'll always have Win7 as a fallback.

BTW, word is that the MicroSoft roll-back from Win10 to Win7 doesn't always work! So, clone your system disk before upgrading. Having said that, when I upgraded a big old Sony Vaio and it failed due to the graphics card not being supported I did actually manage to get back using the MS roll-back method...

Also, I'd recommend GWX Control Panel by Ultimate Outsider to get rid of the Win10 popups. Looks like its even written by a musician! I've got this running on many Win7 PCs now, all fine.

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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by WillB » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:02 pm

The US government still uses 8" "floppies" even in the Nuke Defense Agency. I guess if you know how to use it and it works why change?

I believe Win7 MS support (obviously incl further development) ended last year after 6 years.
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Post by islandmusicpro » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:49 pm

Ricardo79 wrote:In my case I have an older Focusrite Saffire firewire interface that doesn't work on W10 so I'll stick with W7 on my DAW for now.
Just out of curiosity, have you traced the FW issue to an actual Windows problem, or is it driver related?
I'm asking because I'm using a FireWire interface as well, and it's flawless...
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by raino » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:30 pm

silhouette wrote:I am primarily worried about UAD and Windows 10.
What is the basis of your concern with UAD? Problems with UAD would be a showstopper for me.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by islandmusicpro » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:28 pm

raino wrote:
silhouette wrote:I am primarily worried about UAD and Windows 10.
What is the basis of your concern with UAD? Problems with UAD would be a showstopper for me.
For what it is worth, I use a UAD PCIe card and have zero issues.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by ggc » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:39 pm

WillB..
For being such a savy microsoft insider, it amazes me that you do not know that windows 7 is officially supported until 2020..

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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by jon_blak » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:23 pm

I have been on W10 for a few months now.
running all sorts of software (photoshop, indesign, cubase, premiere)
easy upgrade, no issues to report.

much nicer experience than 7 (never touched 8).

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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by ggc » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:34 pm

How is it a nicer experience?

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Post by WillBthr » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:54 pm

ggc wrote:WillB..
For being such a savy microsoft insider, it amazes me that you do not know that windows 7 is officially supported until 2020..
I said "I believe" and a quick search results in the following: If C/NET & Business Insider are right then the quotes below sums it up. I guess -paid "extended support for businesses" - is what you are saying still exists. Notice the word "business" ie. enterprise. Personally I don't use W7 so I don't really follow it or care.

"Unlucky for some: it's 13 January 2015, and that means the end of free support for Windows 7.
Happily that doesn't mean your computer is going to automatically break or stop working, but it does mean Microsoft will no longer offer free help and support if you have problems with your Windows 7 software from this point on. No new features will be added either."
http://www.cnet.com/news/windows-7-support-ends-today/

BUSINESS INSIDER said:
The end of support generally means no more updated features or performance improvements, unless you are covered by extra "extended support."

UPDATED: Microsoft has promised to provide security patches even after it ends mainstream support, through 2020. What is ending is design changes, warranty claims and no-charge incident support.

This move will mostly affect consumers. Businesses get extended support and will get all updates for another five years, until January 14, 2020.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by ggc » Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:08 am

How many accounts do u have? Lol

Seems there is a sprinkle of truth in it...:p

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

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Post by WillBthr » Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:21 am

Two, and depending on which computer I'm using. WillB and WillBthr. At least I figured out how to make the signature the same. I wish I could figure out how to get rid of one (this one I think carried over from the old system) that was created way back in the Nuendo v1.0 days.

Seems there is more than a "sprinkle". My previous post is correct based on the MS link you've provided.
I started on DOS OS! I'll bet they've dropped support on that one too. I'll check back with your MS link.
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by raino » Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:25 am

ggc wrote:How is it a nicer experience?
Yes could somebody please be specific about how it is nicer. No need to be exhaustive, but what are the top 3 or so things that you find nicer about it compared to Win7?
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Re: Will you upgrade to Win 10?

Post by Ricardo79 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:13 am

islandmusicpro wrote:
Ricardo79 wrote:In my case I have an older Focusrite Saffire firewire interface that doesn't work on W10 so I'll stick with W7 on my DAW for now.
Just out of curiosity, have you traced the FW issue to an actual Windows problem, or is it driver related?
I'm asking because I'm using a FireWire interface as well, and it's flawless...
Cheers,
Benji
Yes, the issue for the early Saffire interfaces isn't with Firewire itself. As I understand it, the issue is with the Focusrite drivers for my particular model (Saffire LE). Focusrite makes this clear on their website and from the forums I have read no one has made this interface work in W10. I am getting quite low latency with my present system and really don't want to buy a slightly updated Firewire interface just to switch to W10, W7 is fine. I may wait for the "MS Hologram" operating system, I think it is due in 2020 ;)


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