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Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by halljack » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:13 am

Hey Guys here is a Remix of My Song " The House on the Hill"
changed some lyrics --Sped the song up a bit.
Used a different reference track. Thoughts :)

Link should work https://soundcloud.com/halljack505/the- ... l-remix-gt :)

On the Soundcloud link problem -- from reading alot of Google posts.
A person should upgrade to Internet Explorer 10.
If your using Internet Explorer 9 -8-7 etc. this could be the problem.
Google chrome has a patch for them though.
I also notice Safari has had problems.

Jonathan 5456 is right -- one must remove the # for the link to work ;)

Jack :) :)
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by Jonathan5456 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:20 am

Hmm, I haven't used Internet Explorer in years, it's proven time after time to be far too subsceptible to attacks, moreso than any other browser. I remember a colleague was asking me about some internet scam involving something about police website/letter/e-mail impersonations here in England and I discovered that he got them and I never because I use Firefox and he uses IE :P

Anyway, I don't really like the sound of the mix :P The vocal is a bit too loud I think for a start. Although, the arrangement and composition are pretty good. It'd be cool to hear some newly recorded stuff if you have the chance :D
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by halljack » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:33 am

Jonathan5456 wrote:Anyway, I don't really like the sound of the mix The vocal is a bit too loud I think for a start. Although, the arrangement and composition are pretty good. It'd cool to hear some newly recorded stuff if you have the chance
Thanks Jonathan-- I'll work on the Vocal-- maybe change the Drums to a bit.
I've got some more Songs coming. ;)

Also glad to see the Link works.
Changing to Internet Explorer 10 did the trick for me. ;)
I've used Firefox in the past to.

Thanks :)

Jack :) :)
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by shadowfax » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:34 am

Hi, this mix suffers from what my early mixes used to suffer from..lack of variation, after various comments from the good people on this forum I started to look harder at what I was doing and hopefully my mixes are more interesting..it's good work but it could be better and to me it sounds like your straining to reach a few notes so maybe it should come down a semi tone..well done though, Kevin
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by halljack » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:51 am

shadowfax wrote:Hi, this mix suffers from what my early mixes used to suffer from..lack of variation, after various comments from the good people on this forum I started to look harder at what I was doing and hopefully my mixes are more interesting..it's good work but it could be better and to me it sounds like your straining to reach a few notes so maybe it should come down a semi tone..well done though, Kevin
Thanks shadowfax: But I'm kinda confused what you mean by " Lack of Variation.
Do you mean the arrangement of the song -- or variation in the mix, EQ, effects, levels, panning, instruments,
or Both arrangement and mix. :?: :)

Thanks for your comment
and glad to see the "LINK" worked. ;)

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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by shadowfax » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:15 am

Just mean some instrumental variation..rest something a few bars here and there, bring something new in here and there..maybe your doing this and it 's not very obvious dunno, I'm no expert..just going by what I'm hearing..is this track compressed a lot? maybe that's what's making it sound similar throughout..keep on keepin on..Kevin
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Post by halljack » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:38 am

shadowfax wrote:Just mean some instrumental variation..rest something a few bars here and there, bring something new in here and there..maybe your doing this and it 's not very obvious dunno, I'm no expert..just going by what I'm hearing..is this track compressed a lot? maybe that's what's making it sound similar throughout..keep on keepin on..Kevin
2 Guitars, Bass & Drums format that's been used many times before
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Mastering UVuv22hr set to 24 bit. ;)

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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by shadowfax » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:42 pm

ok mate..I get the picture..Kevin
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by cmaffia » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:47 pm

Agree that the vocals are a bit loud as well. You can also hear the artifacts of Variaudio on this. There could be more dynamics with this track to give it more variation. Like Kevin suggested earlier, you could build up by dropping out some of the other guitar tracks in the beginning. Drums also seem unnatural particularly the ride cymbal being panned hard left. Lead vocal is a bit thin and needs to be thickened (I sometimes use a maximizer plugin for that). The overall mix sounds over compressed to my ears. You've got multi-band compression on the master bus and then 2 more compressors in series after that? Too much compression IMO. How about a maximizer on that master bus as well and a limiter to bring up the RMS value as a suggestion? I always thought dithering should match the final audio format? Being that you uploaded an MP3 to Soundcloud, I would have dithered the master to 16-bit and not 24-bit. It has a hooky chorus so kudos for that, just needs to be developed more.
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by Mr M » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:02 am

Since you're principally a guitar player , if you had a steel string acoustic overdub playing the same chords ,you could drop out the electrics for the first verse and bring them back for the chorus. Otherwise you may try using Padshop to get a symth background texture using the chords you're playing.

Also , the Voxengo Curve function of copying an existing eq is something I've never tried but the premise sounds dubious to me. Unless you're under pressure from a client or something why try to emulate an existing records eq instead of just eq'ing your own song?

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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by halljack » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:33 am

cmaffia wrote: I always thought dithering should match the final audio format? Being that you uploaded an MP3 to Soundcloud, I would have dithered the master to 16-bit and not 24-bit.
cmaffia I haven't used an .mp3 in 5 years Hmmm
An acoustic guitar on the verse's, wish I had one
artifacts of Variaudio -- I'm careful not to get the "CHER" effect with it and try to back off
The Maximizer is on the Master plug-in
The whole song was recorded, mixed, mastered, and uploaded
to soundcloud at 44.1 -- 24bit

Jack :) :)

ps: Thanks for everyone's opinion's
and happy to see that the Link to Soundcloud work's again
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by cmaffia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:50 am

lol you don't like constructive criticism we see. I always thought that's the reason for posting here? Not a problem :-)
Have fun.
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by halljack » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:54 am

cmaffia wrote:lol you don't like constructive criticism we see. Not a problem Have fun.
:lol: :roll: :roll: Have a nice day :D

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Post by shadowfax » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:56 am

That's sad mate, I think you've just arranged it so's the people that took the time to give you some constructive and honest help wont bother doing it again..if you don't want the criticism (help)..don't post....have a nice day..Kevin
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by halljack » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:42 pm

shadowfax wrote:That's sad mate, I think you've just arranged it so's the people that took the time to give you some constructive and honest help wont bother doing it again..if you don't want the criticism (help)..don't post....have a nice day..Kevin
shadowfax: s**** the constructive. Just be nice. Something I've noticed over the past few years
is that Peoples "BIASSSSSSSSSS" towards some types of music gets in the way of there "Constructive.
If a person doesn't like that type of song DON'T COMMENT.

Steinberg: I think its time to break "MADE WITH CUBASE" up into
Categories:

1. Rock
2. metal
3. pop
4. Hip Hop
5. Country
6. New Age
7. Movie Themes
8. Jazz
9. Covers (with Permission)
etc.
And let people comment on there own type of Music

STEINBERG --- you do this with your Presets So how bout it. ;)
Do the same with "Made with Nuendo"

Jack :) :)
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Post by cmaffia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:19 pm

Dude, take a deep breath and chill. There is no bias here just constructive criticism. I'm a "rock guy" (and from the looks of your signature, a fellow Beatles fanatic as well) and I had some pointers for you. I also agreed with Kevin's initial critique so bang goes your bias theory. A byproduct of this section is feedback and if you don't want feedback then don't post here and then gripe when people try to HELP you. There has always been a variety of styles in this section living in harmony so your recommendation to segregate genres is unnecessary IMO. Truth be told, you come off sounding like the kind of person who thinks they crap gold and are above any suggestions. You're also a little condescending in your responses.

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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by Mr M » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:31 pm

I re read this thread a few times and I don't get the idea that halljack was rejecting criticism. It has to be that I'm missing something Up until his last post he seemed to be taking criticism in a good way.

Anyhow the idea of segmented sections is not needed. I think that most people who don't like certain kinds of music already don't respond. This forum is very biased FOR rock ;the very style that the OP is posting. For me ,most of my songs are in the urban category and I would never post most of my work here. There are other forums in which folks make and listen to that style of music. The forum ain't broke
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Post by cmaffia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:37 pm

Mr M wrote:I re read this thread a few times and I don't get the idea that halljack was rejecting criticism. It has to be that I'm missing something.
Really? Not sure how you missed that!
Mr M wrote:For me ,most of my songs are in the urban category and I would never post most of my work here. There are other forums in which folks make and listen to that style of music. The forum ain't broke
It's a shame you don't. Music is music.
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by Mr M » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:15 pm

cmaffia wrote:
Mr M wrote:I re read this thread a few times and I don't get the idea that halljack was rejecting criticism. It has to be that I'm missing something.
Really? Not sure how you missed that!
Mr M wrote:For me ,most of my songs are in the urban category and I would never post most of my work here. There are other forums in which folks make and listen to that style of music. The forum ain't broke
It's a shame you don't. Music is music.
Seriously I read thru again, I just don't see it. Please point to a specific. Op just sounds like a guy responding to points until his last post

Regarding music, yes of course, music is music. However forums have discernible direction based mainly on the bulk of what's posted there and the folks involved. It's just a waste of time to post music that's outside of that given scope. We all know that music is music . This is not a problem for me, there are lots of places to post. Over the years the Stenberg forum has had some very vocal members posting their hatred for hip hop over and over. At least one is still here. I personally wouldn't post hip hop or house/dance music here. I did so recently as part of my excitement that a song of mine made a tv show and it was well received however for the most part they'd go elsewhere. I don't see this as a problem , just the way things are
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Post by cmaffia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:51 pm

I've heard plenty of dance tracks here... not sure why you think there is hatred. Can you point to a specific thread where that happened? Then again I am sort of new here. If someone spewed hate for a certain genre then that is unfortunate but I can't imagine that mentality represents the majority of the forum. As far as the original poster and your interpretation of his posts... let's agree to disagree and leave it be.
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by Mr M » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:42 pm

This will be my last response on this so as not to hijack halljack. I've been posting in the various Cubase forum incarnations since 1999. There have been folks here with very hard feelings against urban/hip hop music and ,as mentioned , at least one is still here. I'm quite sure that this doesn't represent the vast majority here now but I've just gotten used to posting certain songs here and I don't see that changing.

To me ,this is basically a rock orientated forum that also open to other forms of guitar based or modern music. I post my guitar orientated songs here that I think folks will like and critique Why not take advantage of what a forum is as opposed to trying to make a forum work for styles that have been vocally rejected?. Steiny should have been an active participant a long time ago in banning certain folks but they chose not to and allowed a climate to be created (at least in the old forum). If you come at this as a recent member this may all seem crazy but there's a reason why you see so many styles posted at Gearslutz and not so much here. Mods were asleep at the switch for a long long time IMO and missed the opportunity to foster a welcoming environment.

Halljack's song fits right in to the predominate style here.I just didn't see attitude from him until the last post.

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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by Jonathan5456 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:25 pm

I'll just comment on the suggestion for sub-sections for specific genres. I think that it's a bad idea. Orchestra/movie/videogame music is definitely "my" genre, as you put it. But even if I don't particularly like other genres as much it's still interesting to hear them. And then there are the times when there are musics from other genres that you discover and really enjoy.

For example, the first piece I heard by Kenny (Kzarider) I wasn't that impressed because jazz wasn't a genre I was very familiar with or that into at the time. The next few pieces I heard through his posts I really enjoyed and thought were fantastic and even favourited his last piece on SoundCloud. There'll always be people who are open and closed-minded, I don't think many people will feel the need for a sub-section for each genre. So yeah, it's nice taking some time to listen to a variety of things and not everyone has to like everything. I think most people here do like multiple genres of music.

I read what Mr. M just posted and I'll take his word for it about how the forum was in previous years. He is right though, some months ago some "trip-hop" (whatever that is) didn't get many comments as opposed to how many rock stuff does, nor does my orchestra stuff and an older member here that seems to have disappeared since insistently accused me of pasting together loops because of his lack of understanding, but you just need to laugh and shrug. Although if it were a majority then I can understand Mr. M's feelings and I think there's no reason to not take his word for it considering he takes time to listen and comment on others music, something which some here posting their own music selfishly don't bother to do.
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by halljack » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:25 am

Jonathan5456 wrote:, I don't think many people will feel the need for a sub-section for each genre
Well Steinberg: Lets Start a poll ;)


Jack :) :)

PS: The Blatant Bias of peoples song's has been very evident to me
since the start of http://www.steinberg.net.
I'll have to re-read some old stuff at http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/
just to see if the Bias existed then.

Critiquing someone else's songs has always been a tough one
And I see the Problem's Steinberg has created with this forum.
I used to take a magazine back in the 1980's
that had what was called READER'S TAPES http://www.recordingmag.com/tapereviews.html
and seriously these guys would toss Tapes, CD-R'S Dat's in
the trash a lot just because they didn't like the song's
without even Critiquing the mix or recording. This is what i'm getting at. THE BIA'S.
A&R people with record companies almost always listen to the song first
then the RECORDING ---MIX second. The Same C********** is happening here.
IMO it's very hard to over come this Musical Bias. ;)

Sub catagories would be a start. ;) ;) :D
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by Jonathan5456 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:33 am

Even if people do have a bias and a leaning toward certain types of music that they enjoy more than others I don't see why that is a problem in the slightest. There's just no need for sub-sections for each musical genre. Take it up with Steinberg staff if you like but I'd bet they'd reject the suggestion. :P
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Re: Remix -- Bad Soundcloud links

Post by halljack » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:49 am

Jonathan5456 wrote:Take it up with Steinberg staff if you like but I'd bet they'd reject the suggestion.
I've already started the ball rollin :D

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