[Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

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[Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:38 pm

I've encountered a bug where, if I select a barline, invoke the Shift+B popover and type -1, instead of deleting the following bar, it deletes the bar next to it.
In the attached file, if I select the barline on line 64 and type Shift+B, -1, the bar 65 gets removed, not the 64 as expected.
Oddly enough, if I delete the music on the piano (or if I delete the player altogether) it works as expected.
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:43 pm

Well, actually, after returning to my original file and finding problems also copying and pasting, it looks that the bar is removed but it shows a rest instead. If you reload the project, the notes show as they should. Interestingly, I've seen this behaviour before in Dorico 3, but I didn't post about it.
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by pianoleo » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:50 pm

There's something odd about that bar, as you'll see if you turn on View > Note and Rest Colors > Voice Colors.
I also note that the problem goes away if you unconsolidate multibar rests (Layout Options > Players > Bar Rests and Multi-bar Rests).
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:58 pm

Indeed. And there's more weirdness. Select the notes from bars 65-67 of the viola. Copy them in bar 64 of the viola but by selecting the rest, not invoking the caret. They don't get copied there. Instead, they get copied in the piano part, and the note in bar 64 only appears if you save and reload the project.
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:00 pm

By the way, I discovered that my voices were a mess with "voice colors". Great tool, I didn't know it. This forum is awesome!
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:28 pm

Well, this file has a lot of problems like that. In all cases, when that happens, the voice color of the bar rest is black. The bar turns blue as soon as I input a note in it, rather than tying a note from before.
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by dankreider » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:30 pm

lucas_r_r wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:28 pm
Well, this file has a lot of problems like that. In all cases, when that happens, the voice color of the bar rest is black.
That's normal. Bar rests don't display voice colors. At least mine never do.
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:32 pm

dankreider wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:30 pm
lucas_r_r wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:28 pm
Well, this file has a lot of problems like that. In all cases, when that happens, the voice color of the bar rest is black.
That's normal. Bar rests don't display voice colors. At least mine never do.
Ok, that makes sense. I'm new to the function. Thanks!
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:02 pm

lucas_r_r wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:28 pm
Well, this file has a lot of problems like that. In all cases, when that happens, the voice color of the bar rest is black. The bar turns blue as soon as I input a note in it, rather than tying a note from before.
Actually, when this behaviour occurs, the bar only resets to its working state if I input a note that is shorter than the length of the bar. If I input a whole note in a 4/4, it stays with a bar rest until I save and reopen. If I enter a quarter note, the bar behaves normally.
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by Rob Tuley » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:08 pm

dankreider wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:30 pm
That's normal. Bar rests don't display voice colors. At least mine never do.
Hmm - that seems odd to me. (The reason why two of these bar rests are a different colour isn't worth explaining, though).
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:11 pm

Rob Tuley wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:08 pm
dankreider wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:30 pm
That's normal. Bar rests don't display voice colors. At least mine never do.
Hmm - that seems odd to me. (The reason why two of these bar rests are a different colour isn't worth explaining, though).
I guess they don't display colors when all bars are in silence, the same way a multi-bar rest doesn't display colors.
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by Rob Tuley » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:51 pm

Your bar 65 is a 1-bar multibar rest, displayed without the count "1" above it. That is why it displays in black even when you switch on voice colours.

You can't select a multibar rest because it isn't really a "thing", it's just a notational shorthand. That is why "B -1" isn't doing what you expect for bar 64.

You don't usually want multibar rests in the full score (though you might want them in the viola part) so switch them off in Layout options / Players / Rests and multibar rests. Then "B -1" will work as you expect.

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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by pianoleo » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:29 pm

Rob, I have to disagree with you. Generally speaking it is perfectly possible to:
a) delete an empty bar, that is to say a 1-bar multirest, using either Shift+B -1 Enter or the System Track
b) paste into a multirest bar

There is something weird about this project.
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Re: [Bug] Shift-B > -1 on a barline deletes the next to the next bar.

Post by lucas_r_r » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:21 pm

Rob Tuley wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:51 pm
Your bar 65 is a 1-bar multibar rest, displayed without the count "1" above it. That is why it displays in black even when you switch on voice colours.

You can't select a multibar rest because it isn't really a "thing", it's just a notational shorthand. That is why "B -1" isn't doing what you expect for bar 64.

You don't usually want multibar rests in the full score (though you might want them in the viola part) so switch them off in Layout options / Players / Rests and multibar rests. Then "B -1" will work as you expect.
I can understand that. There's a reason why I want the multi-bar rests activated in the score. You're right that the strange behaviour disappears without the multi-bar rests. Even so, there is some strange behaviour with some of those measures.
In this video I've used cmd+alt+shift+(-> or <-) to double/halve the note. The first time I double it, the multi-bar rest doesn't disappear, and the note is tied to nowhere, even if the note is actually there (if you save and reload, it's there). If you double again, everything is back to normal. If you then shrink, or even if you undo (I did that later) everything is back to normal too, and you can tell it by the colour code of the voices.
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