Levels dropping when exporting

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Levels dropping when exporting

Post by InverlochMusic » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:13 am

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong! I'm sure it's a simple thing but... I finish a mix, all levels perfect, monitor sounds fine, play back something say from SoundCloud to check output levels and all is good. Then when I export (have tried all formats) and play it back, I lose at least 20% of the peak output! Everything sounds OK but the level has dropped. It means I have to max up the mix before export, but I'm guessing how much extra to push so every mix output is different! Any clues?

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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by Nickeldome » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:01 pm

Maybe you didn't process the complete signal path when exporting?
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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by svennilenni » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:12 pm

What means „all levels perfect“? Which is your metering point? Via which player / device do you „playback something via soundcloud“? Via which device / player do you playback your mixdown? Which software are you using to do the mixdown?

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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by InverlochMusic » Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:39 am

Using Cubase 10 on a i5 PC, input and output is through a Behringer UFX1604 via Firewire (which I just use as a multi-track interface). I level every input in Cubase, no peaks, which then goes back through the mixer for monitoring. Once the master mix is done (in Cubase) with levels to 0, I do the export and as an example, upload to Soundcloud. When I play the file back, that's when I lose the 20% or so of peak level. There is no sound card in the PC, it all runs off the Behringer driver, so there's no other levels to set. The same thing happens when exporting to a MP3. As a work around, I have been pushing the masters to+4-6dbs and re exporting. This brings the levels back up but I can't control this from track to track.

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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by Nickeldome » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:15 am

Be aware that Soundcloud by default normalizes the loudness of you tracks to -14 db! If you want to publish on Soundcloud adjust your mixes accordingly.

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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by InverlochMusic » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:56 am

I used Soundcloud as an example. The levels drop when exporting in any format.

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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by jaslan » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:07 am

InverlochMusic wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:56 am
I used Soundcloud as an example. The levels drop when exporting in any format.
Are you comparing what you hear in Cubase against what you hear when you play the exported file in Windows?
Windows audio and ASIO are not the same.
Try importing the file back into the Cubase project, play it a 0dB and then compare.
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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by InverlochMusic » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:22 am

Thanks jaslan. I knew it would be a simple mistake, imported the file back into the project and if anything it was a little louder. If I set my windows volume up to 100% (after closing Cubase) the MP3 sounds about the same volume wise. Thing is, if I play a commercial CD or someone else's MP3 back from the PC, it's about 20% louder! I'm peaking the mix but not clipping, so is there something else I should check?

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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by jaslan » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:38 am

Yes. The Maximizer ( or a Compressor) on your track will make it louder.
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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by InverlochMusic » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:30 am

Yes realised that as soon as I posted. Is there an attenuation setting somewhere that makes my setup softer than everything else?

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Re: Levels dropping when exporting

Post by jaslan » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:55 am

Probably not but check all your inserts. It’s probably just that almost literally everything else out there uses at least some compression. Some music uses a lot of compression.
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