Skinny Scrollbars Stink

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Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by suntower » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:18 am

They were terrible in C8, but now they're even -worse-. The (wonderful) lower section makes it even harder to navigate. We -need- NORMAL width scrollbars... now more than ever.

(And don't get me started on the VST Instruments Rack... no scroll bars at all!)

UPDATE: What drives me even worse than the angel-hair scroll bars is the ABSENCE of the down and up (or left and right) arrows at the boundary of each scroll bar. I use those ALL the time as a 'page up' or 'page down' functions with the mouse. But now that these are -gone-, I am -constantly- overshooting the place I want to navigate to. OUTRAGEOUS!
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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by Tanant » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:55 am

I think they're getting ready for full touch support, where you just flick through lists.
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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by ZeroZero » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:57 pm

Not all of us have 20/20 vision, Cubase developers should consider this
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Post by The dman » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:29 pm

I agree the scrollbars are too small
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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by soul patch » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:59 am

suntower wrote:They were terrible in C8, but now they're even -worse-. The (wonderful) lower section makes it even harder to navigate. We -need- NORMAL width scrollbars... now more than ever.

(And don't get me started on the VST Instruments Rack... no scroll bars at all!)
I just opened C9 & can't believe it. Horrible!
The marker scroll button on my screen isn't even visible, totally dissapears when scrolling.
With all the points & suggestions to make them wider & easier for workflow they decided to make them thinner?
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Post by Weasel » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:29 am

(And don't get me started on the VST Instruments Rack... no scroll bars at all!)
I'll be happy to get started on this one. In C8.5 the Instrument Rack had a scroll bar. Now it doesn't because they are expecting you to use your scrollwheel. The problem with this strategy is that if you aren't perfectly on target with your cursor, you'll wind up accidentally adjusting the instruments Quick Controls. This is an unbelievably stupid step backwards. Besides eliminating an almost invisible scroll bar....you'd think they'd at least add a quick jump to Rack or Track instruments at the TOP of the interface. I am now thoroughly convinced their GUI guy is a sadist.
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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by JACKnight » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:11 pm

Yup

+1 to that.

Even just a little wider would be great.

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Post by andyjh » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:42 pm

+1

Scrollbars need to be wider, such skinny bars just slow down navigating around, as you have to be so accurate what you point at
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Post by madsv » Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:47 am

andyjh wrote:+1
Scrollbars need to be wider, such skinny bars just slow down navigating around, as you have to be so accurate what you point at
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Post by kimbo72 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:23 am

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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by TTBoy5000 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:27 am

+1

I get it, the designers need the screen space to show off their cool new Lower Zone, Side Zones, and whatnot. But, in doing so they make it close to impossible to navigate the cool new Zones. I say give the User the ability to adjust the bars to suit their needs. If you are a youngster and still have great eyes, that user can make them small and enjoy the added screen space. But, for us older, weak eyed types, let us have the ability to thicken the scrollbars to our needs and tastes. Just my 2cents.

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Post by -steve- » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:50 am

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Post by Orbit-50 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:51 am

I'll chime in and say the scrollbars are way too small. Mousewheel scrolling is not fine enough to help with this problem either. This is really the only problem I have with Cubase.
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Post by suntower » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:30 pm

UPDATE: What drives me even worse than the angel-hair scroll bars is the ABSENCE of the down and up (or left and right) arrows at the boundary of each scroll bar. I use those ALL the time as a 'page up' or 'page down' functions with the mouse. But now that these are -gone-, I am -constantly- overshooting the place I want to navigate to. OUTRAGEOUS!
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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by -steve- » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:36 pm

Indeed. I find I use scroll bars mostly in the Score Editor in the lower zone. Finding the scroll bar not easy, and once I do I move it too much. Left and right arrows would be great for that. Even a few pixels larger grab area would be helpful, for clicking or using the scroll wheel.
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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by In_Stereo » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:44 pm

I agree. This part of the GUI hampers rather than helps (for me, at least), and I would be happy to sacrifice a bit of real estate for scroll bars and arrows that you can actually see and use easily and quickly.
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Post by SteelyDani » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:45 pm

suntower wrote:UPDATE: What drives me even worse than the angel-hair scroll bars is the ABSENCE of the down and up (or left and right) arrows at the boundary of each scroll bar. I use those ALL the time as a 'page up' or 'page down' functions with the mouse. But now that these are -gone-, I am -constantly- overshooting the place I want to navigate to. OUTRAGEOUS!
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Post by Jorge Ruiz » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:05 pm

+1

The absence of the left and right arrows to navigate the Arrange page is really killing me... and not softly.
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Post by raino » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:25 pm

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Post by Orbit-50 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:45 pm

suntower wrote:What drives me even worse than the angel-hair scroll bars...
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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by J-S-Q » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:26 pm

Hate to be the odd one out but I like these tiny scroll bars precisely because they don't take up much space. I rarely use them -I navigate with the mouse scroll wheel (plus modifier key for horizontal scrolling or zooming) which I find much quicker than a scroll bar, large or small.
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Re: Skinny Scrollbars Stink

Post by jimknopf » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:39 pm

Add me to the odd ones as well.

Maybe I would need a direct comparison for a final decision, but I get by quite fine so far as well. It's just a bit unusual and irritating at first, because the old scrollbars had become a part of the general UI body feeling.

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Post by Hippo » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:56 pm

+1 here as well
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Post by david_d » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:12 am

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Weasel wrote:I am now thoroughly convinced their GUI guy is a sadist.
Ha ha ha!!! I've only been using Cubase (and WaveLab) for three months and came to the same conclusion. For all my hair-pulling, your comment is cathartic and appreciated. Under the hood, these products are wildly powerful, but between the 'inventive' UI elements, the unintuitive menu structure, and the documentation (that reads like a provisional patent application), they're unnecessarily difficult to grasp. I sincerely wish Steinberg would reach outside their immediate labor pool and contract a dedicated UI expert to perform a usability study and recommend standard/popular UI conventions where appropriate. And, while I'm ranting, that includes following best practices for readability and negative space. That is to say, cramming as much of everything into as little space as possible eventually produces diminished returns.

And I agree with what has already been said: Where there are sufficient supporters on both sides of a usability debate, offer a choice in Preferences. [Or, stick with tradition and hide it in a submenu somewhere.]

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