General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

General discussions on songwriting, mixing, music business and other music related topics.
Locked
lovegames
Senior Member
Posts: 1554
Joined: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:38 pm
Contact:

General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by lovegames »

I think it's inappropriate and unprofessional for ***Music businesses*** to propagate political messages and movements on their media publishing platforms.

Just stay neutral, and you won't irk anyone. Just keep making your software and be quiet.

nakedhoof
New Member
Posts: 13
Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:49 am
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by nakedhoof »

What ever are you talking about?
Cubase 10.5 Dual Xeon 4208 128 GB RAM 10 TB SSD + HDD Dell 3007 WFP 30" + Neovo 28"
Argosy Halo K88 Workstation, Event PS8 Monitors, PreSonus ADL 700 Tube Channel w/matched NOS Tubes, Warm Audio WA-2A & EQP-WA
Various Tube, Ribbon & Solid State Condenser Mics
Ibanez, Gretsch, Takamine, Epiphone etc. Guitars & Basses
Fishman TriplePlay MIDI Guitar Controller, Line6 Helix Stomp HX, Bugera 22W Tube Amp
Kontrol S61, M-Audio Hammer88
Alesis Surge Drum Kit w/extra triggers, various percussion instruments
UA Apollo Firewire + UAD USB Quad, PreSonus 1810c
Vocalist, Guitarist, Bassist, Keyboardist, Percussionist, Producer, Composer, Mean Old Man
http://www.giantsofcolossus.com
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNqf5u ... w78Npr6UGw

"Music theory is what the uninspired use to decipher the work of genius" - Lord Snarebottom
"Dreams should never be reduced in potency by subjecting them to reality" - Lord Snarebottom

User avatar
MattiasNYC
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 4409
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:27 am
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by MattiasNYC »

Scroll down Steinberg's Facebook page and you will likely see just one message that has nothing to do with Steinberg's products specifically. That message, which some will call "political", is a message any decent human being will agree with.

So when it's a problem when Steinberg posts something like that it really says more about those who complain about it.

PS: There's an ignore list function in the forum software. It works well.
Nuendo 10.3 / Lynx TWO-B / Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 2004 build 19041.450 / Ryzen 1700 3.6GHz (oc) / 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4@3200MHz / Radeon VII / ASUS x370-A mobo ::::: RX Post Production Suite 4 / DaVinci Resolve

User avatar
matjones
Senior Member
Posts: 1333
Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:44 pm
Location: Here....
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by matjones »

Yep, it's a sad day when something such as this can cause offence :roll:

How is this an issue?

...Actually, i had no idea about this until the OP pointed it out, so many thanks!
Kinda reminds me of the Streisand effect ;)
Cubase 10.5.12 Asus Z390-Plus, i9 9900 @ (3.7) 5GHz, 64GB DDR4 3000Mhz RAM, RME Multiface II PCIe, SSL Alpha Channel/Fusion, UAD2 Octo/Solo/Quad, UA6176, Neve 8801/8803, Loads of plugs, WL10, Melodyne Studio 5, Arturia VC7, iZotope MPS, Eventide XI, Various toys, Telefunken, Neumann, AKG, Austrian Audio, Sontronics, Shure Mics, Adam A7X and Avantone monitors, AKG K702, ATH-M70x, Nektar P6, Warwick, Spector Basses, Gibson Les Paul Studio & loads of other junk.


Minds are like parachutes, they work best when they're open.

lovegames
Senior Member
Posts: 1554
Joined: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:38 pm
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by lovegames »

MattiasNYC wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:56 pm
Scroll down Steinberg's Facebook page and you will likely see just one message that has nothing to do with Steinberg's products specifically. That message, which some will call "political", is a message any decent human being will agree with.

So when it's a problem when Steinberg posts something like that it really says more about those who complain about it.

PS: There's an ignore list function in the forum software. It works well.
Ignore is how you become ignorant, and ignorant is how you become something like a racist - which you have accomplished, by concluding that all people agree with your perspective and that someone who is *directly relevant* to the post you are describing surely must have the same opinion as you because you "care" about them. In reality, you are exploiting these people as ingredients to bake self-virtue pies for yourself to which you are addicted to the sweetness of, despite it being likely at the cost of those you supposedly "care" about. You will deny this by concluding something is wrong with me - I am a bad person, you've attempted to undermine me without even knowing me, my ideas, position, knowledge. This is because you don't actually have to suffer the consequences of your ignorance and I would say if there is privilege, it is that.

The problem with this particular message, is the basis for it needing to even exist. It is a false narrative within itself. The literal message, of coarse anyone would agree with. Everyone agrees with that message...................... That's the problem with the message................ It is implying there is a negative characteristic of society aimed at a certain demographic which is not true. All existing evidence, data, facts in fact say the exact opposite of what is being proclaimed in the meaning and intent of this particular political message. And in the opposite direction, the negative characteristics that it is targeting are so small in todays reality that the people, the academics, pushing these narratives can't really get a proper measurement.

It is a counter productive, intentionally divisive and segregating, racist, demeaning and untrue message - every single aspect of it. Literally.

It is an organization pushing this message, and this organisation, the money they raise, is going to rich politicians of a certain political party running for positions of influence in which they have a knack for distributing tax money to places that benefit them and their friend. The demographic of this particular message, their communities have been run by these very same people for decades and have deteriorated under their control. Yes, the people pushing this message are the same ones who have not done a good job - it is some next level broad stroke socialogical gaslighting.


The major problem with this message, is that it is misleading people away from actually solving problems that are affecting these people. If you have 1 billion dollars to fix a problem, you need a proper diagnosis. You don't want to spend all your money and resources only to find out that the problem doesn't actually exist and during that time, thousands of people died that didn't have to. This is serious stuff, it is no place for emotional reactionary baseless uneducated non sense that is being pushed by political lobby groups and politicians and individuals who want to blame everyone else for them dedicating their life to being a virtuous rebel protester instead of getting an education and job, and academics who want to be socially popular instead of factual.

The message is not to help people, it is to give the majority demographic a feel-good-lever they can thoughtlessly pull by voting for the person who recites the same ideological fallacies and mistruths and feel like they did something, they helped, they can feel good, they're not a racist, etc. It - is - all - about - voting. That is why it is a political message, not the literal meaning, but the background mechanics and intent of it. It is pure mass manipulation.
matjones wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:29 am
Yep, it's a sad day when something such as this
101669036_10157459486501045_2323625977705398272_n.jpg
can cause offence :roll:

How is this an issue?

...Actually, i had no idea about this until the OP pointed it out, so many thanks!
Kinda reminds me of the Streisand effect ;)
Brainwashing is a subtle art form in which those being manipulated believe they are being lead down a righteous path.

And now you see, why these things aren't as simple as you thought, and likely thought in your own head, without critical thought - because it gave you a feel-good-I-support-this-I'm-on-the-right-side-of-history-invite-me-to-your-bbq trigger. This is selfish, you should do more research.

I would direct you to a few individuals - *Candace Owens*, *Larry Elder*, *Nestride Yumga*, *Hodge Twins*

It's important however, where you go to look at these people - because there are countless out of context smear campaigns and subtle manipulation against all of them.

Also check out Sam Harris' podcast on this particular subject, Making Sense with Sam Harris #207 - Can We Pull Back From The Brink? (June 12, 2020)

So if you search out some of these names, you realize I obtained my perspective from the very types of people this message is about. Not so simple anymore is it! Gotchya. Not only that, I arrived at my current position from the opposite side. I suggest you also do some critical thinking here.

But you can also see, why companies should not get behind these messages. It's not so simple, there is always more than one side, and it is ignorant to think that your side is perfect and the other is evil. It is pure ignorance. And it is unprofessional for companies to do this. I - do - not - want - to think about which message a company does or does not support when I'm looking at the bootup graphic, or plugging in a pedal, or playing my guitar - NO WAY. THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT IN MY HEAD WHEN I'M MAKING MUSIC. My complaint HAS TO DO WITH MUSIC.
Last edited by lovegames on Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:43 am, edited 2 times in total.

lovegames
Senior Member
Posts: 1554
Joined: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:38 pm
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by lovegames »

heck, while I'm here... I may as well link directly to the other side because there are so many manipulated renditions out there which for whatever reason, make it higher in the YouTube search results - wonder why...

.....Maybe I should note, that my complaint has been deleted three times so far. To the moderator, you are silencing other people while allowing Steinberg to propagate only one side - that's not good, and you are part of the problem - you are directly hurting people

*Hodge Twins*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLuJa9X21PE

*Candace Owens*
response to incident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74

Responds to manipulative accusations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cUQqPxw3hc

*Nestride Yumga*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItopNgRQiuY

interview
https://youtu.be/a4fockTm8qw

*Larry Elder*

Interview Excerpt
https://www.facebook.com/thewillwitt/vi ... 47900/?t=0
Interview Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqVNPwsLNo
Interview Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piwaBO6U43U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO8a6yAE63c


*Condoleezza Rice*
https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos ... 20004/?t=0

on removing monuments
https://youtu.be/HFkBGcNtjEA

*Terence K Williams*
https://www.facebook.com/terrencekwilli ... 22788/?t=5

Ben Shapiro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBDfMQ27Asw

Charlie Kirk
https://www.facebook.com/thehodgetwins/ ... 57321/?t=0

Ami Horowitz/*
https://youtu.be/uufeEhq25rc

https://youtu.be/3JGmKHrWKMQ


Making Sense with Sam Harris #207 - Can We Pull Back From The Brink? (June 12, 2020)
https://www.facebook.com/Samharrisorg/v ... 537506164/
Last edited by lovegames on Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:20 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
MattiasNYC
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 4409
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:27 am
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by MattiasNYC »

matjones wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:29 am
Kinda reminds me of the Streisand effect ;)
Interesting. I was completely unaware of that expression.

Now I know more :-)
Nuendo 10.3 / Lynx TWO-B / Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 2004 build 19041.450 / Ryzen 1700 3.6GHz (oc) / 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4@3200MHz / Radeon VII / ASUS x370-A mobo ::::: RX Post Production Suite 4 / DaVinci Resolve

lovegames
Senior Member
Posts: 1554
Joined: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:38 pm
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by lovegames »

MattiasNYC wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:55 am
matjones wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:29 am
Kinda reminds me of the Streisand effect ;)
Interesting. I was completely unaware of that expression.

Now I know more :-)
Unfortunately for you, it is working against you in this instance, and is actually a tangibly representative characteristic of the message that you are supporting.

User avatar
matjones
Senior Member
Posts: 1333
Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:44 pm
Location: Here....
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by matjones »

Oh dear oh dear..... someone's been on the 'black goo', watching too many dave icke and infowars videos :lol: :lol:
...And it's not even April 1st :o
Cubase 10.5.12 Asus Z390-Plus, i9 9900 @ (3.7) 5GHz, 64GB DDR4 3000Mhz RAM, RME Multiface II PCIe, SSL Alpha Channel/Fusion, UAD2 Octo/Solo/Quad, UA6176, Neve 8801/8803, Loads of plugs, WL10, Melodyne Studio 5, Arturia VC7, iZotope MPS, Eventide XI, Various toys, Telefunken, Neumann, AKG, Austrian Audio, Sontronics, Shure Mics, Adam A7X and Avantone monitors, AKG K702, ATH-M70x, Nektar P6, Warwick, Spector Basses, Gibson Les Paul Studio & loads of other junk.


Minds are like parachutes, they work best when they're open.

User avatar
MattiasNYC
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 4409
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:27 am
Contact:

Re: General discussions on songwriting, mixing, ***music business*** and other music related topics.

Post by MattiasNYC »

Like I wrote: The ignore function works wonders.
Nuendo 10.3 / Lynx TWO-B / Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, 2004 build 19041.450 / Ryzen 1700 3.6GHz (oc) / 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4@3200MHz / Radeon VII / ASUS x370-A mobo ::::: RX Post Production Suite 4 / DaVinci Resolve

Locked

Return to “Steinberg Lounge”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests