New to Synths. Need some advice

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guitargod414
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New to Synths. Need some advice

Post by guitargod414 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:30 pm

Hi,
Let me try to give some background on myself.
I am a long time Cubase user (since SX1) but 95% of my recording experience revolves around recording 'analog' music... meaning instruments you put a mic in front of. I of course use a DI a lot but not a ton of MIDI usage over the years. My MIDI experience is mostly limited to Piano VSTi's and the occasional Synth mostly just using presets as all the controls on the synths are a bit over my head at the moment (I am working on that though). I have a decent MIDI controller (Novation SL61) so I do have the option of some hands on control. I have been starting to learn how to custom map synth controls to the Novation.
With that being said, I am not looking to write/ record 'electronic' music (EDM, House, Hip Hop, etc). I guess I would say I am trying to expand my palette to more 'modern rock'. Bands like The Killers, Imagine Dragons, Bon Iver, etc. along with more atmospheric music like Explosions In The Sky and Sigur Ros as well as some Pop music like Ed Sheeran. There are also some Americana bands that have an 'electronic' flavor. I guess a combination of 'analog' music with 'electronic' elements. These would be more of what I am doing as well as genres of clients I work with.
With that being said, I have a few questions.
1. What do you think about the Synths that come with Cubase Pro? Any good compared to a comparable 3rd party? I would assume that as good as the best out there but do you feel they are pretty usable/ believable in a mix?
2. Of the included Synths, what does each do/ emulate/ excel at and which do you use most?
3. I would love some suggestions of some 3rd party Synths/ samplers to start with given the styles of music I am shooting for. 'Great for the price' is always nice but I don't mind spending a little more if it is some thing great. Sub $200. I don't need the absolute greatest thing on the market but don't necessarily want to cheap out on it.
4. I would also be interested in some solid string sounds but again, nothing crazy expensive or requires the absolute best system to run. Just strings to add a nice texture here and there but not too cheesy sounding.
5. I do not need any 'real' drum/ percussion sounds at the moment but if any of the synths/ samplers can do some experimental/ crazy/ electronic type of percussion elements, that would be cool but definitely not a priority.

Like I said, I am just getting my feet wet so I am looking for any direction I can get. Any info from the 'experts' would be very appreciated!

Thanks,
Dean
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Re: New to Synths. Need some advice

Post by ColinPark » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:56 pm

Not an expert, but I like many of the Cubase Pro synths. Foremost among these is HALion, but it's hard to get decent sound design out of it without going to the full HALion, which is sold separately. (And it's quite impressive.) I also like HSO (HALion Symphonic Orchestra), also sold separately and also a great value. The strings are fine, and would probably be OK for what you have in mind. My main problem with HSO is lack of reverb control. Honorable mention goes out to retrologue and dark planet. Dark planet (DP) is good for subtle atmospherics and additional layers, but not something I'd use as a foreground or lead instrument. I'm pretty happy with the groove agent stuff that comes with Cubase, but I'm easy to please in that department.

People with more experience than me would likely recommend Massive, or something like that. However, I like to keep my universe of learning curves as small as possible without being confining, and I don't want to mess with too many vendors, so I like to stay close to Steinberg. Lacking broad experience with other stuff is a reason not to take my opinion too seriously. I guess people will say it depends on exactly what you're trying to do.

I'd get into sound design If I had a long life ahead of me, but it's more practical for me to deal with it when it comes up. Selecting patches is sort-of like getting into sound design. It is tedious and time consuming to preview hundreds of candidates. Now I'm considering a 2-step process of finding a decent patch to open with, then tweaking it into what I need. Full HALion is the way to do it. Unfortunately, sound design is a discipline of its own, with certain listening skills and raw materials. It's not easy.

[Designing / Scouting for Sounds]

As I see it, the deal with sound design is that you're designing an instrument, and that instrument has to be expressive if you want the player to be able to move the audience. Therefore, it has to respond to changes in velocity, if nothing else, and the response can't be too abrupt. I say "All funny sounds sound like funny sounds". They don't sound like there's a person behind them, so they have no soul. They are artistic distractions. They are sound effects. There's no connection possible. Now, that's an overstatement. Organs and harpsichords can work quite well when the composer has a strong vision. Note that they don't come with a lot of reverb, multi-delay, distortion, or other effects that would suck up the lion's share of the arrangement space. So, one must ask how a designed sound is to be used. To communicate an elaborate vision? To communicate human feeling? Some kind of blend of those two? Making the music big (composer's vision) seems to favor clean, interesting sound design. Making the performer big (soulful connection) seems to favor responsive sound design. Making a funny sound big doesn't work after the novelty wears off. It's like a movies without a great story or great acting -- just have 2 hours of explosions and gun fights. You never want to see again, even though you likely forget what happened soon after seeing it the first time.
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Re: New to Synths. Need some advice

Post by dannyrichardson » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:03 pm

Hi there,

There are a ton of amazing plugins that you can find in the style of The Killers and Imagine Dragons.
I think if I had to recommend a few of my favorite synthesizers they would be:

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Helix(Free Trial that is fully functional)
Arcade
Serum
Omnisphere
Spectrasonics Keyscape
Diva
Splice(Amazing samples) Used heavily in pop music

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