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Post by chi_mike » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:21 pm

Thats the thing. How much will the 11 upgrade be just to have transparent mode back?

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Post by Helidream » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:26 pm

Wouldn't it be possible to share the same code base for Nuendo and Cubase, so that the Dev team do not loose time on working on each release ?? And do not loose time to debug two times the same code ?

Then releasing Cubase could be a simple conditional compilation, with removed functions.

Those two softwares are now very similar, i do not see why it would not be possible.

This would allow for Nuendo users to get the latest functions at the same time as Cubase users.

It seems logical to me that Nuendo users should have the newest technology before or at the same time as Cubase users, simply because Nuendo is more expensive and higher end.

If this were the case, there would be another profit for Yamaha, they would sell more Nuendo licenses. Happier users, more money for Yamaha, and less development time.
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Post by GTBannah » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:27 am

Helidream wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:26 pm
Wouldn't it be possible to share the same code base for Nuendo and Cubase, so that the Dev team do not loose time on working on each release ?? And do not loose time to debug two times the same code ?

Then releasing Cubase could be a simple conditional compilation, with removed functions.

Those two softwares are now very similar, i do not see why it would not be possible.

This would allow for Nuendo users to get the latest functions at the same time as Cubase users.

It seems logical to me that Nuendo users should have the newest technology before or at the same time as Cubase users, simply because Nuendo is more expensive and higher end.

If this were the case, there would be another profit for Yamaha, they would sell more Nuendo licenses. Happier users, more money for Yamaha, and less development time.
Cuba se is probably the guineapig, then once they get it right, they add it to Nuendo, fully tested. :lol:
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Post by fenderchris » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:10 pm

GTBannah wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:27 am
Helidream wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:26 pm
Wouldn't it be possible to share the same code base for Nuendo and Cubase, so that the Dev team do not loose time on working on each release ?? And do not loose time to debug two times the same code ?

Then releasing Cubase could be a simple conditional compilation, with removed functions.

Those two softwares are now very similar, i do not see why it would not be possible.

This would allow for Nuendo users to get the latest functions at the same time as Cubase users.

It seems logical to me that Nuendo users should have the newest technology before or at the same time as Cubase users, simply because Nuendo is more expensive and higher end.

If this were the case, there would be another profit for Yamaha, they would sell more Nuendo licenses. Happier users, more money for Yamaha, and less development time.
Cuba se is probably the guineapig, then once they get it right, they add it to Nuendo, fully tested. :lol:
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Post by JDSStudios » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:35 pm

This same old tired answer “ let Cubase do the testing” is just a whole bunch of BS.
Testing is done after the programmers implement the code, by competent testers.

Nuendo users pay more money, they should get the new features first, Cubase users should be second,
and not the way it is now.

As for Bugs, there will always be bugs. N10.2.1 crashes often on the same desktop as N4.3 that almost never crashes.

This is an old irritating story.
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Post by Graveley » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:04 pm

JDSStudios wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:35 pm
This same old tired answer “ let Cubase do the testing” is just a whole bunch of BS.
Testing is done after the programmers implement the code, by competent testers.

Nuendo users pay more money, they should get the new features first, Cubase users should be second,
and not the way it is now.

As for Bugs, there will always be bugs. N10.2.1 crashes often on the same desktop as N4.3 that almost never crashes.

This is an old irritating story.
I feel the same way...
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Post by DaniDonadi » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:13 pm

JDSStudios wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:35 pm
This same old tired answer “ let Cubase do the testing” is just a whole bunch of BS.
Testing is done after the programmers implement the code, by competent testers.

Nuendo users pay more money, they should get the new features first, Cubase users should be second,
and not the way it is now.

As for Bugs, there will always be bugs. N10.2.1 crashes often on the same desktop as N4.3 that almost never crashes.

This is an old irritating story.
I feel the same way.
I have a license for Nuendo 10 and Cubase 10.5.
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Cubase seems snappier and more stable if you ask me........ and the comparative EQ, that's just what I need in my workflow.
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Post by audiophyle » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:38 pm

luiza177 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:20 pm
I just want the combined select tools ASAP...... been waiting so long for that one.
I'm totally agreeing. That's been one thing (probably the only one thing) I've always been missing when comparing PT to Nuendo. This is enhancing editing speed and workflow a lot.

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Post by MattiasNYC » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:21 pm

I think there's a limited amount of options when it comes to releasing these two softwares, and some of them don't really make sense. Just saying we should get the new features first means Cubase users have to wait for a purely artificial reason; they paid less. And if it's indeed possible to split the features into music/post in terms of integrating them into Nuendo we actually wouldn't even get stuff sooner, just Cubase users would get their stuff later... and then we'd get more stuff (post).

And when you do that you also have to consider pricing 'optics'; are we going to pay twice - once for the earlier music features and again later for the post features, or are our music features going to look as if they're "free" and then the post features are going to look more expensive by comparison?... not to mention that Cubase users will complain that they'll pay for the music features and we don't.

Lastly, all of this also assumes that the current way Steinberg have structured their workforce makes all of this efficient. It could very well be that doing it in some other ways actually adds development time to the process... and time is money so that's less revenue for Steinberg which guaranteed will trickle down as a relatively higher cost for us customers.

So all-in-all I'm not really convinced that this is a big deal or even one with a reasonable and easy solution.

Steinberg got rid of the NEK, dropped upgrades to $200, and seem to have at least somewhat closed the gap between releases. If anything I think the emphasis should be on 'finishing' features that aren't finished, and fixing what isn't working correctly (bugs or design issues), key commands and VCAs and a few other things come to mind. If we want to make noise about things those are the things I think are valuable to make noise about.

PS: I think transparent events and a few other things are coming before the next paid release - but I could be wrong about it of course...
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Post by GTBannah » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:32 pm

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Steinberg got rid of the NEK, ...
The NEK is why I opted to buy Nuendo, instead of Cubase; to get the music features of Cubase, while growing into the "post features" of Nuendo. Here I am, still lagging behind in music-related features. :roll:

I haven't received a response as yet, as to if there is a "cross-grade" from Nuendo to Cubase. Yes; I'm willing to pay for BOTH applications. SMH
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Post by MattiasNYC » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:59 pm

It's not a cross- grade if you own both, you're looking for a discount, right?
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Post by fenderchris » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:09 pm

MattiasNYC wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:21 pm

And when you do that you also have to consider pricing 'optics'; are we going to pay twice - once for the earlier music features and again later for the post features, or are our music features going to look as if they're "free" and then the post features are going to look more expensive by comparison?... not to mention that Cubase users will complain that they'll pay for the music features and we don't.
You might be right, but if there were two 'levels' of Cubendo in one application wouldn't it be seen the same way that Wavelab Pro and Wavelab-Elements are viewed? - essentially the same application but different featuresets depending on what the user needs and how much they want to pay. I don't think a Cubase user would be upset that a Nuendo user also had the music features p!us some extra stuff that they paid more for.

I certainly agree with you about getting the existing problems fixed first.
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Post by MattiasNYC » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:25 pm

Well, my first point was the timing, and that in one sense it's not really reasonable for Cubase users to wait just because we "feel better" if they do. That was taking what someone else said quite literally of course.

The other thing was that people are just irrational. If we for example went from Cubase and Nuendo versions 11.1 to 11.5, and 11.5 was paid, then if you split up the feature additions so that the music stuff came out before the new post features but had Nuendo users pay just when those post features came out I bet you that Cubase users would say "Hey, I'm paying for these features for 11.5, but Nuendo users are getting them for free in 11.5" because they wouldn't really see that we'd then pay far more for 11.6 or whatever when that finally comes out with the post features.

I'm not saying the above reaction makes sense, just that people are irrational.
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Post by GTBannah » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:33 pm

MattiasNYC wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:59 pm
It's not a cross- grade if you own both, you're looking for a discount, right?
I'm not sure I understand you.

I don't own both; only Nuendo. I am asking, if there is a price for "cross-grading" from Nuendo to Cubase, the way you can do so from Pro Tools, Sonar Logic etc. It is indeed a discount, but they're calling it a "cross-grade" price.
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Post by saxmand » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:06 pm

Mattias makes great points I think.

The only thing is that basic functions and Gui improvements (such as the much discussed transparent mode) or for me this of not automatically activating the next project, if you close the active one, which is a no-brainer functionality, would be a shame to wait a year to get :)

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Post by GTBannah » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:46 pm

O.K., all of the above being as they may, what's the bottom line?

Is there a cross-grade price from Nuendo to Cubase, so I don't have to wait on the music features?

Devs, please come in.
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Post by saxmand » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:36 am

GTBannah wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:46 pm
O.K., all of the above being as they may, what's the bottom line?

Is there a cross-grade price from Nuendo to Cubase, so I don't have to wait on the music features?

Devs, please come in.
It's not very clear if you want to own both Cubase and Nuendo?
If it's that you wanna just move to Cubase instead, it doesn't make sense to talk about "cross-grade price" as Nuendo is a more expensive program.

If you want both, in my opinion it would be more sensible if the Nuendo license could open both Cubase and Nuendo, meaning that you could still only use it on one machine. But that still leaves the open question what happens when Cubase is bumped a version, which obviously is the talk here.
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Post by MattiasNYC » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:04 am

I actually thought that crossgrading meant giving up one license. If that's not the case then...
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Post by saxmand » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:41 am

Crossgrade is usually when you get software cheaper from a company because you have similar software at another company. If you crossgrade from say Logic to Cubase, Steinberg don't/can't take away your Logic license.
That's also why talking about a crossgrade from Nuendo to Cubase doesn't really make sense too much sense as it would be a "downgrade", unless it ment that you could use both programs...

How Steinberg did their features when they bumped both programs to v10 was having everything that exist in Cubase also existing in Nuendo, which is why I "upgraded" to Nuendo. So with that in mind you don't really get anything in Cubase you don't have in Nuendo, it's only now and until Nuendo gets an update, that it sucks cause we have to wait on all the sweet new features :)

Personally I'm still super duper happy with the few Nuendo only features I use, and I'm ready to wait for some time for the new features to get to Nuendo.
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Post by trmupstage » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:58 pm

I own both but tend to do all productions in Nuendo. I know it's a drag waiting for features, but I have to say that Nuendo 10 is so much better than any previous version. I've used Nuendo since version 2. Working in Variaudio is a dream now. They solved all the weird display glitches I've had on previous releases. I really don't know why I hang onto two different licenses. Seems like a monumental waste of money, keeping both up to date.
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Post by lordExtra » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:30 pm

GTBannah wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:27 am
Helidream wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:26 pm
Wouldn't it be possible to share the same code base for Nuendo and Cubase, so that the Dev team do not loose time on working on each release ?? And do not loose time to debug two times the same code ?

Then releasing Cubase could be a simple conditional compilation, with removed functions.

Those two softwares are now very similar, i do not see why it would not be possible.

This would allow for Nuendo users to get the latest functions at the same time as Cubase users.

It seems logical to me that Nuendo users should have the newest technology before or at the same time as Cubase users, simply because Nuendo is more expensive and higher end.

If this were the case, there would be another profit for Yamaha, they would sell more Nuendo licenses. Happier users, more money for Yamaha, and less development time.
Cuba se is probably the guineapig, then once they get it right, they add it to Nuendo, fully tested. :lol:
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Post by THambrecht » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:34 pm

What you all forget:
We will probably get all of Cubase 11's functions that are already finished in April 2020.
The Cubasers then have to wait until the end of the year.
So we also test in april the new functions for the new Cubase 11 coming end of the year.
The programs are already being developed together.
We basically get Cubase 10.75 with Nuendo 10.5

The release dates are different because the team has now to work on special functions for Nuendo.
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Post by JDSStudios » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:44 pm

I still think that if Nuendo has all the features of Cubase, plus a few more,
and we pay much more for Nuendo, then Nuendo users should have access
to both Nuendo and Cubase.
Otherwise it’s unfair to wait for newer features and pay more.
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Post by MattiasNYC » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:04 pm

THambrecht wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:34 pm
What you all forget:
We will probably get all of Cubase 11's functions that are already finished in April 2020.
The Cubasers then have to wait until the end of the year.
So we also test in april the new functions for the new Cubase 11 coming end of the year.
The programs are already being developed together.
We basically get Cubase 10.75 with Nuendo 10.5
I doubt that. Is there any history of that happening?
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