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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Niles » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:53 pm

Matthias Quellmann wrote:We don't want the users to update to HALion 6 because of bug fixes, but because of the new features and improvements. All bug fixes that were done during the development of HALion 6 will also be available for HALion 5 customers within the final maintenance update.
Thank you for explaining the reasoning!

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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by GIRO » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:28 pm

IF they give us the MACRO page with editor like I have asked since 4 came out, filling up the surveys and what not, and have it running rock solid, (AS IT SHOULD) you can rest assure that HALion would be on the top of any sampler right now. We have very little companies doing libraries or anything to be a competition for Kontakt. Right now we are a joke to them. "HALion? ehg!"

I'm not the CEO nor the owner of Steinberg and I'm more embarrassed than they are.
I have more pride and determination to see Steinberg kick some competition's butt.
But I can't promote HALion in the current state. I can't create content if it would crash on me with a simple Drag and drop.

Matthias Quellmann! If you hold on the update past the release of H6, you are forcing people to jump to H6 and then there is no reason to be on H5.
I don't think they see the point that its not a good practice to play around with their customers like that..The H5 update is embarrassingly delayed. FEB 2015 till now late, post H6 late. :(

I hope they can read the passion and frustration in my words and not that I'm trying to bash.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: AppHangB1
Application Name: HALion 5.exe
Application Version: 2.2.7.106
Application Timestamp: 54b8eef4
Hang Signature: 2b1e
Hang Type: 2048
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Hang Signature 1: 2b1e4108ba6ebf1eb5788b9bc3be390b
Additional Hang Signature 2: 3191
Additional Hang Signature 3: 3191064041925227a78bca9a96123de4
Additional Hang Signature 4: 2b1e
Additional Hang Signature 5: 2b1e4108ba6ebf1eb5788b9bc3be390b
Additional Hang Signature 6: 3191
Additional Hang Signature 7: 3191064041925227a78bca9a96123de4


All the time... just tried to load a patch and it can't find the sample for whatever the heck reason and I can't stop the search. it freezes. Can't even capture the screen..
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Matthias Quellmann » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:05 pm

Hi Salvador,

I can assure you that we not holding back anything and we are definitely not playing with our customers. The H5 maintenance update will be available close to the release of H6, so that all of the fixes of the H6 development can be implemented in the H5 update. There is a team of quality assurance engineers constantly working on HALion and the other instruments. Before every release there are months of beta testing to make sure that the software works as expected. Of course there can always be bugs (we are talking about software with thousands of lines of code...), but we would never release a version knowing that there are crash bugs. As I mentioned before there is a whole team at Steinberg that has created HALion 4 from scratch. Since The Grand 3 and HALion Sonic 1 all of the VST instrument have been developed by this team and we are very passionate about our work.

So please, let's work together on this one. I will send you a PM with my email and it would be great if you could send me the crash log so we can have a look at it.
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by GIRO » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:37 pm

Matthias Quellmann wrote: So please, let's work together on this one. I will send you a PM with my email and it would be great if you could send me the crash log so we can have a look at it.
Logs Sent...!
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Brian Roland » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:45 am

Rumdrum wrote:
Brian Roland wrote:(Just like EVERY other VSTi on the market that allows user content).

Media Bay is a power user relational database. It makes it much easier to maintain massive libraries...all tagged and sorted so you can find stuff. You can 'click' it and preview things without having to manually walk through dozens of steps to load up a plug in and audition it.
Not quite so. Omnisphere installs by clicking the installation file. It places presets and tables in the correct folders automatically. Omnisphere has the same kind of browser information as HALion only more thought through. It even tops the information by adding graphics (sometimes the graphics tell a story too) and/or much information on the source of the patch. Where HALion is overwhelmingly complicated, with a lot of completely unnecessary buttons, Omnis is simpler and faster to use. Steinbergs Mediabay is something that some like and some dislike. I dislike it. I have been working with relationship databases since 1993 and to my knowledge the Mediabay does not hold up to standards of a "great" GUI. It is a programmers GUI and not a user GUI. A "great" user GUI you can find in Omnisphere.

And btw, the procedure you described for installing 3. party stuff in HALion, did not work with the presets in question.
Just to balance out perspectives here (and companies like Steinberg do listen to and consider many different perspective).

One of my favorite things about Halion is that "I" get to design the UI. I don't have to conform to someone else's cheesy work flow ideas. It's a power user's dream, in that I can design a UI that spreads across three monitors and shows tons of information in a single window, or I can make a very simple single instrument 600x400 UI that only shows the 'tactile' basics. I can make it 'visually' appealing with lots of pretty graphics, or I can make it look like a power user's binary data tank. I can split, drag, pop-out windows and frames and make it MY UI.

I've no problem seeing waveforms and such in the Cubase/Halion Media Browser. While icons and such would indeed be nice for some users to have in the relational database (and not that difficult to add at some point), I'd personally elect NOT to use those features for my own projects if given the choice. I'd rather not have a 4meg bitmap image taking up space on my relatively expensive SSD media when text gets the job done just as well (and is fully searchable). I'd rather NOT have a window or dialog take up massive amounts of screen real estate (I use three screens, and it's still not enough). I'm seriously buggered by the 'progressive RACE' to make things so 'user friendly' that we can't just hit a key combo and type in three letters to find what we need anymore. I'd much rather spend an afternoon reading a manual than many minutes every single day scrolling windows that take up too much screen real estate looking for 'image based visual cues'. I've no problem with a db that 'supports' tagging with images and icons....but if it's forced on me, and if I lose power searching functions and 'documentation' in the process......I'll be pretty upset.

Case in point...Opera Browser with Prestige and earlier engines was a total JOY to use. Not only was it the leanest and fastest browser out there...it had all the best POWER USER features in one simple installation, under ONE user agreement/contract. Now it's a one tab, third party 'plugin' nightmare that needs far more resources to install and use, is arguably less secure, and 'relies' on third party 'plugins' to get a single 'power user' ability. Push-centric...app-store...crap. I hope Halion doesn't attempt to do the same sort of 'user/consumer' friendly thing. I want Steinberg's tools to be a PRODUCER of content...not so much to be a 'consumer'.

I've had 'third party libraries' for various products, including Kontakt, ARIA, etc...which can be a pain in the rear to install and get working. The 'library' wasn't built correctly or was poorly documented, etc. It wasn't the fault of NI, or Plogue that someone put a garbage library out, and was too lazy to make and test an installer for it.

I'm far from a 'programmer', and my so called IQ and 'education level' is actually on record as being 'quite low', but I have no problem making an installer for Halion content that extracts things to a sub directory of one of the default directories holding factory Halion content. I can even make it put the content on any 'removable' device I want and implement plug and play scripts that'll drop file-system links into these default directories 'as needed'. It's really not that difficult to do with free multi-platform installer tools.

If I were going to sell or otherwise mass distribute a library for Halion 5, I'd take the time to get advice here on the forums, and also contact the Halion Dev team (providing samples of my Library) to see how they recommend packaging and distributing it so end users will not face the installation problem you've described. It's really not that hard to get the information and support required.

There's a point where I'd rather not pay a premium for 'rebadged tools' (such as basic archivers and extractors) we've all bought, paid for, and had at our disposal for decades. If Steinberg decides to either develop and service their own, or pay the royalties to rebadge and bundle some other company's installer tools, then the total cost of the product goes up (even for users who have no intention of packaging and selling their libraries). The more of that kind of stuff a sound engine developer packs into a product, the more resources they must dedicate to supporting and maintaining them....across all of the wild and wacky 'OS related' standard changes that seem to come every few months from the likes of Microsoft and Apple.

I believe that Halion 6 is highly likely to include more of the power tools that third party content developers have been asking for. Perhaps it's been a 'long time coming', but it's not due to a lack of effort and dedication from the "Halion Team". I'm eager to see what direction it all goes. It'll be interesting to see how they manage the pressure to copy cat the dumbed down 'consumer driven', subscription based rapid prototyping and app-store models, vs keeping a solid focus on providing power user 'production tools' for 'producers' to 'create with'.

I'm cool with user friendly. I just don't want to lose, 'user choice', and 'power'. I'm also getting frustrated with being forced to pay multiple times over for technologies we've already paid for and mastered many times over as general personal computer users (such as reading a REAL product manual, then making a simple self extracting archive/installer with a few user options on launch). I get pretty tired of paying twice as much for a bundle of tools we've already got, or running into brick walls in apps that point us to 'third party app stores' demanding 'cloud based subscriptions' to get anything done.

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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by mpayne0 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:56 pm

Matthias Quellmann wrote:Hi all,

I can confirm that there will be a final maintenance update for HALion 5 soon after the release of HALion 6.
This is good to hear and very appreciated.

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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by misohoza » Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:31 pm

I'm far from a 'programmer', and my so called IQ and 'education level' is actually on record as being 'quite low', but I have no problem making an installer for Halion content that extracts things to a sub directory of one of the default directories holding factory Halion content. I can even make it put the content on any 'removable' device I want and implement plug and play scripts that'll drop file-system links into these default directories 'as needed'. It's really not that difficult to do with free multi-platform installer tools
Hi Brian.

Could you explain that, please?
I'd be very interested in how you create an installer for Halion content. Do you mean user content?

I know you already explained how to move content and create file-system links in other threads.
But I didn't know you can actually create an installer.
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Brian Roland » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:27 am

misohoza wrote:
I'm far from a 'programmer', and my so called IQ and 'education level' is actually on record as being 'quite low', but I have no problem making an installer for Halion content that extracts things to a sub directory of one of the default directories holding factory Halion content. I can even make it put the content on any 'removable' device I want and implement plug and play scripts that'll drop file-system links into these default directories 'as needed'. It's really not that difficult to do with free multi-platform installer tools
Hi Brian.

Could you explain that, please?
I'd be very interested in how you create an installer for Halion content. Do you mean user content?

I know you already explained how to move content and create file-system links in other threads.
But I didn't know you can actually create an installer.
Yes, I mean making an installer for user content libraries that you wish to distribute to other systems/users.

The simplest form is to use your favorite archival program and set it to make self extracting files. Set flags that allow the user to extract it to the same directory structure that the archive was made with. Some of these self extracting files can also be set to run batch files or other scripts after detarring/decompression.

One can also perform a search to find a variety of tools for creating installers for PC and Mac platforms. I.E. MSI or PRG files that self extract and run BATCH files or other scripts, while presenting users with options.

The general idea would be to provide the user with a self extracting file that puts complete VSTsound archives in one of the directories that Halion already scans for content by default on a regular basis.
I.E.

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"%PROGRAMDATA%\Steinberg\Content\VSTSound"

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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by misohoza » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:04 pm

Thanks Brian.
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Rommelaar » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:19 am

It's Thursday, the days on which VST stuff always is released. So how about a surprise release of Halion 6 today?
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Matthias Quellmann » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:47 pm

Well, I have to disappoint you regarding a surprise release today, but I can confirm that H6 is planned to be released on a Thursday.
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by mozizo » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:34 pm

Matthias Quellmann wrote:Well, I have to disappoint you regarding a surprise release today, but I can confirm that H6 is planned to be released on a Thursday.
:D today maybe ? ;)
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Home Studio 87 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:41 pm

Maybe next...or....... ;)
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by iRan » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:50 pm

The point of this is the fact the current version had no support, no matter how much
you want to talk about the next version. this is wrong !
they say the HAlion team is committed and hard at work, well when did they start
to do that, is 6 going to be the same ? release it and forget it..
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Sentenced » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:17 am

iRan wrote:release it, cash in, and forget it..
fixed. This has been their motto for some years apparently.

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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by HM » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:47 pm

Sentenced wrote:
iRan wrote:release it, cash in, and forget it..
fixed. This has been their motto for some years apparently.
I lost patience around 6 mounths ago, sold both Halion and Cubase, and moved on to Studio One,...

Sampler will be a mix of Kontakt, Structure, and EX3 from now on, (old Ultra 5000's also)

When a new Halion 6, maybe, some day, arrive, I will not feel tempted to try again, I know better by now,..

Now that Steinberg has wasted Halion's chance to become the new defacto soft-sampler format, the chances are even worse that they will be suddenly start being dedicated to their own product, everyone knows Kontakt is defacto now

That might also be the hole reason they choose to fail Halion, and the fact samplers are not top-sellers these days

Its a bit better with Cubase I guess, as for Halion it would have been more honest just to stop development and make an end to it, honest, and officially, long ago,... insteadt of keeping us waiting in a false hope for far to long

Everything has its time, guess it will be there sometime 2017, but that will be some years to late :-)

But hey, life is still nice, and it goes on, happy x-mas, and 2017 everyone,..

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Post by iRan » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:12 am

Yes I moved over to Komplete and superior drummer, did a custom install of Cubase and took out the rest of its
Content and all vsti, will never use there instruments again
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Post by Izitskyj » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:51 am

Matthias Quellmann wrote:The H5 maintenance update will be available close to the release of H6, so that all of the fixes of the H6 development can be implemented in the H5 update.
bump :mrgreen:
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Post by Spidermix » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:18 pm

Yeah, I'm experiencing the crashing bug with Logic X 10.3. Steinberg is pretty terrible with updating their apps. I honestly don't understand how they can go 1+ years without updating software that customers have paid hundreds for....and they have done this for YEARS...

There is no way that I'm going to fall for this "Oh the NEW one is out....give us more money.....and forget about what we already sold you....because we already spent that money!"

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Post by iRan » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:35 pm

Yep ! We were also told when 6 came out there would be a fix for 5
That didn't happen, :x
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Driver » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:19 pm

The HALion 6 release is not complete yet, as HALion Sonic SE 3 as part of it is still missing. I doubt that you will see the Maintenance update of HALion 5 before HALion Sonic SE 3 is released.

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Bump
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Matthias Quellmann » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:27 am

Hi all,

The final maintenance release for HALion 5 is now available for download.

Download HALion 5.1.20 update

Reading through the names in this thread I am curious if anyone from you guys hasn't updated to HALion 6 yet? How are you getting along with the H6?
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Re: when is the next fix ?

Post by Brian Roland » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:47 pm

Matthias Quellmann wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:27 am
Hi all,

The final maintenance release for HALion 5 is now available for download.

Download HALion 5.1.20 update

Reading through the names in this thread I am curious if anyone from you guys hasn't updated to HALion 6 yet? How are you getting along with the H6?
I'm loving H6! It fixed every stability issue I'd ever had with H5 in various scoring packages, gave me great new content to work with, and all the 'power user' features for sound-craft I've ever dreamed of.

So far I've just been doing simple manipulations and enhancements to HSO and other content that is included with Dorico, of which I can pull the Presets into Sonic SE. At some point I'd like to share them, along with corresponding expression maps, with other Dorico owners (free of course...).

One thing I am wondering about......
Since I'm making presets that rely on existing samples/layers/etc. from content packs that all Dorico Users have, and not entire libraries that include samples, what would be the best way to package and distribute those?

I don't have multiple systems to try things with, but will presets work with other systems by simply dragging them to a particular folder on any system that has Dorico, Sonic SE (Version 3 or later) and HSO properly installed? On my system I can just drag them right onto a Sonic SE slot and they load right up and work. Will that apply on the systems of others if I simply zipped them with instructions like, "Drag it onto a Sonic Instrument slot, then save the preset."

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