LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

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LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

Post by raino » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:15 pm

I'd like to have the ability to create modulation modules that any parameter which can be automated can use as a source. These should include all the usual suspects - LFOs of various flavors, noise, triggered envelopes - plus the ability to do complex routing and combining of signals.
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Post by djw » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:45 pm

Probably a duplicate, but +1. Let's make Cubase competitive in the automation department.

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Re: LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

Post by raino » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:18 am

djw wrote:Probably a duplicate, but +1. Let's make Cubase competitive in the automation department.
After a quick search I only saw it mentioned in open ended non-specific feature requests. I thought it deserved a thread all its own. Probably was one in the C8 forum, but that's history now.

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Re: LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

Post by ilmeri » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:16 am

+1. Been thinking a lot of this as well. Could include some math functions as well, for example a triggered decaying sine wave pulse.
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Post by djw » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:31 am

ilmeri wrote:+1. Been thinking a lot of this as well. Could include some math functions as well, for example a triggered decaying sine wave pulse.
This is a good example of such things: https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHe ... roller.htm

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Post by Tommy80 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:05 pm

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Post by estrica2000 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:13 pm

+1
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Post by mpayne0 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:49 pm

Could be an awesome companion even if only for the bundled Cubase tools.

Just plop a midi driven LFO on to an EQ band.

Or spruce up the delay plugin in a way thats a bit more effective (imo) than ModMachine.

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Post by estrica2000 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:20 pm

mpayne0 wrote:Could be an awesome companion even if only for the bundled Cubase tools.

Just plop a midi driven LFO on to an EQ band.

Or spruce up the delay plugin in a way thats a bit more effective (imo) than ModMachine.

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Post by theemasquerade » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:37 am

+1

It would be cool to control any parameter via LFO rather than automation. Even control the LFO by another LFO.

e.g. control the sweep of DualFilter with LFO 1; use LFO 2 to control the rate of LFO 1.

This is possible in VST synths (Serum), but it would be amazing to manipulate audio just within Cubase.

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Post by dmbaer » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:45 pm

raino wrote:I'd like to have the ability to create modulation modules that any parameter which can be automated can use as a source. These should include all the usual suspects - LFOs of various flavors, noise, triggered envelopes - plus the ability to do complex routing and combining of signals.
A big +1 to it all, but especially to LFOs sending automation signals.
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Post by tepa » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:09 pm

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Post by djw » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:28 pm

LFOs, but don't forget triggered envelopes too.

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Post by estrica2000 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:24 am

djw wrote:LFOs, but don't forget triggered envelopes too.

yes! and for all LFO/ENV Thing look inspiration look at: Image
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Re: LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

Post by raino » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:44 am

estrica2000 wrote:
djw wrote:LFOs, but don't forget triggered envelopes too.

yes! and for all LFO/ENV Thing look inspiration look at: Image
Interesting.

And here's the link I'm sure they meant to include in the post. ;)
https://www.xferrecords.com/products/lfotool

I wonder if this can control something like a MixConsole Panner or Send Level?

I know one surefire way to get this capability implemented in Cubase - I buy this thing.
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Re: LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

Post by estrica2000 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:46 am

raino wrote: I wonder if this can control something like a MixConsole Panner or Send Level?
i achieved something like that using quick controls , iac and Blue Cat's DP Meter Pro but not tried with lfotool.
i guess it can be done. But the problem i faced was that cubase writes the automation even with: 0% reduction very square so i couldn't take advantage of precision for quick rates. So i simple don't use it. Everything integrated and occurate would be awsome both for users and marketing purposes : )
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Post by WellBassd » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:31 pm

YES >>>>>

Right now Cubase has the best MIDI routing Base Feature Set - but the functionality was never developed near the level of other DAWS

With couple minor tweaks in how the MIDI is routed between MIDI channels and VST instances, Cubase could easily be the leading DAW in Modulation

There needs to be only 2 things added to cubase

1 Positive and Negative Adjustment for Amount of the Source Modulation
2 MIDI CC Mapping between any and all parameters ( ie. MIDI Controller can control the intensity of ..anything such as.. AUTO LFO that is Controlling any other parameter at the same time )

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Post by SqueekSqueek » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:19 pm

I could use this, too.

I'd like to also have it respond to audio signals, if I may add this request here. So I can build advanced ducking LFOs and stuff like that.
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Post by bny2013 » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:30 am

+1

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Re: LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

Post by suntower » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:46 pm

+1000

So... what are the nuts and bolts?

Would Cubase supply it's own LFO/EG/SH generator module which would act as the 'control voltage'?

Or does the VST spec require updating so that any MIDI (or audio) signal can be used as a control source for any automation parameter?

IOW: perhaps this requires Cubase to develop a patching system analogous to a modular synth where basically -any- signal can be routed to any parameter (CC or automation)

I imagine that's a heavy lift given how Cubase seems to differentiate so strongly between different -types- of signals.

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Re: LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

Post by tepa » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:44 pm

+1
WellBassd wrote: MIDI CC Mapping between any and all parameters ( ie. MIDI Controller can control the intensity of ..anything such as.. AUTO LFO that is Controlling any other parameter at the same time )
Yes MIDI MACRO/MIDI CC Mapping would be really nice to control those modulations !
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Post by PJayLance » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:48 pm

+10000!

This is my number one feature request.

The modulation modules in bitwig 2 is a good place to get some inspiration:)

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Post by Evertone » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:31 pm

+1 This would be awesome!!
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Post by gravehill » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:45 pm

+1 and +6 for freely assignable envelope followers too!
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Re: LFO & other modulation sources to drive automation

Post by dwheitner » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:50 pm

+1. Great suggestion.
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