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hi there --

I'd like to write an aggregate time signature of 1/4 + 3/16 + 1/4
however I want it to display as 11/16 at the front of the bar (because otherwise it's too long)
however I still want it to show dotted subdivisions.

Another words, I'd like to make a bar of 11/16
but to show the dotted barline subdivisions of 1/4 + 3/16 + 1/4

is this currently possible?

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No, you can't currently display an aggregate time signature of this kind with a single time signature at the start of the bar.

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OK. I can still force the beaming of items in a 1/4+3/16+1/4 pattern but it won't show the dotted barlines.
Thanks!

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Depending on what instruments you have in your score, there's a pretty common workaround for getting Dorico to display the "wrong" time signature that could work for you, but only if you don't have any grand-staff instruments like piano (as in the attached pic) or staff groups where the barlines will draw across all instruments in the group. I realize that probably covers most scores, but if that happens to not apply to you, it should yield pretty good results.

Simply set the initial time signature to 11/16, then add dotted barlines where they belong in the first measure. Then in the second measure, enter the correct aggregate time signature and hide it.

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It could potentially be possible to get Dorico to break the dotted barlines drawn across a grand staff or staff group (making this better than a "sometimes solution"), but if so, I couldn't sort it out, despite fiddling with the engraving options and independent time signatures and the like.
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Post by Rune B Bekkhus »

I was looking for how to "time signature pop-over" (what a verb!) a section that shifts regularly between a simple and a complex meter: 2/4|6/16+1/4 over and over again. But then it looks like this, too, is not implemented yet?

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I tried to create a 4/4 + 1/8 bar with the help of the 'insert tool'. Normally the creation of new time-signatures with the insert tool works perfectly. Also if I create a 9/8 I'm fine and I have 9 eigths in my bar...but when I create a 4/4 + 1/8 I still only have 8 eights in my bar:
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what's wrong?
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Deer Peer,
I take from the second picture that you had insert mode on… Well, maybe use shift-B 1e to add what you need in that bar? I don't have a better advice here, sorry.
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Thanx Marc,

I guess that's the only workaround, yes. Thanx a lot.
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