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Disappearing time/key signature

Post by Tobias de Haas » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:44 pm

Dear all,

See attachment.
The cautionary time signature and key sign is disappeared from the lower staff.
What is happening and how to get it back?

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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:18 pm

This looks like a divisi-related bug. Are you running Dorico 2.1?

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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by Tobias de Haas » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:04 pm

Yes, 2.1
In previous version I swiched tutti/div a couple of times in the next system.
This worked somehow. But not in 2.1.
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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:13 pm

For the time being I think you will need to modify the casting off so that the change back to the tutti does not coincide with a system break, but we will try to fix this in future so that you don't have to rejig the layout to get the correct time signature and key signature changes to appear in all staves.

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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by kitgrahame » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:08 pm

This is still happening in version 3.0.10 when I have a Unis flag on the first bar of the next page.
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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by pianoleo » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:20 pm

Welcome to the forum, kitgrahame.
As far as I can tell, the bug still exists but it's possible to work around it. First add the unison, then add the system/frame break.
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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by kitgrahame » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:13 pm

Hi pianoleo

Thanks for the suggestion.

This was at an automatic system break, so I had to first add a manual system break in the bar before so the Div and Unis bars were in the same system, remove and re-add the Unis, add a manual system break between the bars, and then remove the first temporary break. For a moment, the time signature reappeared, but when I saved and reopened the file it was gone again!

I have also had some luck getting it to appear by nudging the Unis flag left and right again with Alt+arrow. But again, when the file is reopened, the time signature disappears.

The only saving grace is that I can print the file immediately after the temporary fix, but I have to keep remembering to refix it every time I print a new draft.

I hope this one will be resolved soon.

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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by Borosini » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:45 pm

I'm experiencing this with condensing as well, and I can't figure out a workaround that keeps system breaks where I would like.

Has anyone found a workaround that works with condensing?

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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:12 pm

Please provide a cut-down version of the project that demonstrates this problem so we can take a look.

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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by EmmCeeSq » Thu May 07, 2020 1:04 pm

Hi all, is this bug still present? I'm experiencing this on 3.1.0.1021 and given how much time I've had to spend getting the score into shape (neither the divisi or condense function is quite right for choral scores - you still have to do an awful lot of manual tweaking to get things optimal) I'm reluctant to now start unlocking the formatting - I tried the workaround above and it was a nightmare getting everything to look good again.

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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by Derrek » Thu May 07, 2020 2:45 pm

EmmCeeSq wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 1:04 pm
... I tried the workaround above and it was a nightmare getting everything to look good again.
That's why it is a good practice always to try such work on a copy of the original file.
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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Thu May 07, 2020 3:03 pm

Yes, unfortunately the situation with key and time signatures on the boundaries of divisi sections is as yet unchanged. This is definitely something we are planning to improve, but it's sufficiently thorny that we need to set aside some serious time to rework this particular aspect of the program, and we haven't yet given it sufficient priority to down tools and work on it.

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Re: Disappearing time/key signature

Post by EmmCeeSq » Sat May 16, 2020 4:31 pm

OK, thanks Daniel. I know things that can appear simple to fix from a users' point of view can mean lots of complicated things under the hood. Hope you can get it sorted as and when.
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