Bring on that sweet figured bass!

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fkretlow wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:10 am
Whew, that’s it!
I have finally been able to devote some more time to this and created a version of Figurato that works with Dorico on Mac. It's available on the repository. For limitations and notes about portability see here.

The initial version of FiguratoMac contains about 2900 precomposed ligatures. Most of the commonly used figures should be supported. If you come across a figure that does not work as expected, please do notify me so I can add it. Open an issue in the repository, post a request here or shoot me a P.M.

I hope FiguratoMac will be useful for some of you. As always I look forward to your feedback!
Dear Florian,

it seemed like a belated christmas present - thank you very much!
I installed your FiguratoMac font and quite happily setup a score with simple figured bass - it looks fantastic (compared to my own experiments) :-)

There is one little glitch(?) which I can’t explain, please have a look here
(the 2 should end up somehow below the b7):

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k_b wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:04 pm
Dear Florian,

it seemed like a belated christmas present - thank you very much!
I installed your FiguratoMac font and quite happily setup a score with simple figured bass - it looks fantastic (compared to my own experiments) :-)

There is one little glitch(?) which I can’t explain, please have a look here
(the 2 should end up somehow below the b7):

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Klaus, thank you for your kind feedback!
You’re right, 72 and its modified combinations were missing. I have added them now. Please use the latest version.
Florian

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Dear Florian,

I have installed your latest version, 0.5.0.2 - is this the right one?

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Yes, 0.5.0.2 is the last one.
I presume there’s still a comma between b7 and 2. Delete it and you should get b7 on top of 2, at least that’s what I get. Or do you want an empty row in between?
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perfect :-)

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It does not look like a workaround to me! Congrats Florian!
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Thank you, Marc! :)
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Just to let you know: I have pushed a significant update to Figurato to the repository.
The set of modified numbers is now complete, the italic set too. I have implemented Lars Ulrik's suggestions from this thread as far as possible. I have also spent considerable time with the positioning tables once more.

I consider the font more or less finished. I’d appreciate your feedback. If no further requests or suggestions come up I’ll wrap everything up and call it 1.0.

Note that due to the number of added characters it was not possible to maintain all of the previous key bindings for modified numbers. The final version is not fully backwards compatible – you'll probably find that slashed sixes and the like look different now in old documents. Please take a look at the manual to get familiar with the new characters and key bindings.
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Florian, you are amazing!
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Thank you so much, Florian!

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Florian, I noticed your new version 0.6 Figurato does work on Mac, too - if I input the numbers ‘the other way round’. Is there any reason against this procedure?
Obviously I should probably not exchange a .dorico file with a PC user, but once I have printed my .pdf file it should not matter.
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Thank you, Klaus and Lars Ulrik. :)
k_b wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:29 am
Florian, I noticed your new version 0.6 Figurato does work on Mac, too - if I input the numbers ‘the other way round’. Is there any reason against this procedure?
Obviously I should probably not exchange a .dorico file with a PC user, but once I have printed my .pdf file it should not matter.
Hmm. Nothing has changed in regard to this.
Have you already tried to generate a pdf with Figurato? If so, do the figures look the same as inside Dorico?

Honestly, I would rather advise against it. The Qt bug has already been fixed and the fix will definitely be ported into Dorico. So once you upgrade to Dorico 3.0 all figures that you set with Figurato now will be turned upside down.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

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As announced, I have wrapped up everything and made a release version of Figurato.

I've written a bit of a description on Scoringnotes (not many new things there if you've followed this thread, but I thought I'd share the link anyway).

Thanks to all of you who gave feedback!
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Thanks a lot! I’ll try it right away.
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I don't mind saying, to "accompany" the release of the Scoringnote blog on Figurato, that I was in a situation where it was best for me to create a score and set of parts for the entire Monteverdi Vespers (some modifications were necessary - it's a rescued project ... long story ...). And doing the B. C. part with Figurato was a breeze. So thank you!
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Figurato Extension Lines

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I've been trying to add extension lines in Figurato (Windows 10) and I just can't work out how it's done. If anyone can help with this I'd be grateful.

I have been trying to follow the example given in the manual:

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The above image is shown in the full manual, near the bottom at: https://github.com/fkretlow/figurato/bl ... /manual.md

I have tried entering the figures as shown but I'm obviously missing something.

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Did you replace the underscores with space characters? If you're using the lyrics popover you'll need to input non-breaking spaces (Shift+Alt+Space).

If you're doing this already, could you be more specific? What do you type and what do you get?
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hi florian,

i've downloaded the latest figuratomac but i'm not getting the results illustrated in the online manual.
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the notation is just a place holder while i test the font.

any ideas?

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As explained here FiguratoMac uses pre-built figures instead of positioning rules to circumvent a bug in Dorico on Mac.

Adding every conceivable figure to FiguratoMac is not possible because there are millions of possible combinations. Therefore some figures are not supported.

Feel free to let me know about any missing figures that you need. I can add them quickly.
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fkretlow wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:13 pm
Did you replace the underscores with space characters? If you're using the lyrics popover you'll need to input non-breaking spaces (Shift+Alt+Space).

If you're doing this already, could you be more specific? What do you type and what do you get?
Hello Florian,

Thank you for replying and for your wonderful work on your Figurato font. It's much appreciated.

Here is a previous example I made using Dorico's text pop-over which I am trying to do with figurato.

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Here is what I manage trying it with Figurato:

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Using figurato in a Dorico Lyrics pop-over, I typed the following:

6 shift+alt+space shift+alt+space shift+alt+space d
6 shift+alt+space shift+alt+space shift+alt+space d,
5 shift+alt+space shift+alt+space shift+alt+space d

Thanks again for your help with this.

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Those spaces are way too large.

Which version of the font are you using? I encoded the non-breaking space only a few days ago.
If you haven't done that already, please download the latest release (1.0.1) and try again.

Are you using individual lyric lines for the rows? If so, you could also use generic lyric extension lines!

If none of this helps, could you send me the project? I should be able to figure out what's going on.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

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Hello Florian,

Thank you again for your reply.
fkretlow wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:30 am
Those spaces are way too large.

Which version of the font are you using? I encoded the non-breaking space only a few days ago.
If you haven't done that already, please download the latest release (1.0.1) and try again.
Yes, I am using your latest version (1.0.1)
fkretlow wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:30 am
Are you using individual lyric lines for the rows? If so, you could also use generic lyric extension lines!
No, Im not using individual lyric lines for the rows, I'm just using the Lyrics Translation line only.
fkretlow wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:30 am
If none of this helps, could you send me the project? I should be able to figure out what's going on.
I've prepared a brief project example using the same figures as before. My first page shows the figures with extension lines done using Dorico's text pop-over. My second page shows the exact same figures where I've tried to use Figurato. Hopefully, from this, you can tell me what I'm doing wrong. Here's a link to my project example.

http://www.michaelsroom.co.uk/addons/do ... nsions.zip

Thanks again, your help is much appreciated.

Best wishes.

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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

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I see.
You need to input the dashes as columns: 65 ...spaces... dd ...spaces... dd ...
What we’re doing is basically connecting many single figures of two stacked dashes in such a way that they look like two continuous lines. Not very elegant, I know, but there’s not really a better solution for this from inside the the font.

For the 65 figure try and copy this into the lyrics popover:

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65      dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd    dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd    dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd    dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

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fkretlow wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:31 pm
I see.
You need to input the dashes as columns: 65 ...spaces... dd ...spaces... dd ...
What we’re doing is basically connecting many single figures of two stacked dashes in such a way that they look like two continuous lines. Not very elegant, I know, but there’s not really a better solution for this from inside the the font.

For the 65 figure try and copy this into the lyrics popover:

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65      dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd    dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd    dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd    dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd   dd
Hello Florian,

That worked beautifully.

Incidentally, I think your 'Scoring Notes' article is excellent, particularly your point of the relevance of figured bass in our times. I also note that this thread is approaching 10,000 views, a further indication of the level of interest for figured bass in Dorico.

Thank you for your superb work and generosity in giving us this tool.

Best wishes,

Michael

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