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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by fkretlow » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:48 pm

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Florian, can I ask where we are with MacOS? I seem to remember there was A version that did seem to work well on Mac at some point.
Hmm. Are you sure? Did you ever export or print a project with Figurato and found that it looks right? If so I'd be very interested to know which version it is you're talking about!

Anyways, I've almost completed all the functionality that I wanted to implement. That means that I can start building the ligatures for the Mac version based on the positioning code. Abraham has kindly offered to help me automate this (he's much more experienced with Python for FontForge than I am), but as the code has become very complex it might take a while to figure it out. I'll keep you updated!
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by fkretlow » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:50 pm

Now I've seen your edit.
Does 0.3 look right when exported as pdf?
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by benwiggy » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:26 pm

fkretlow wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:50 pm
Now I've seen your edit.
Does 0.3 look right when exported as pdf?
Seems to be ok, as far as I can tell. It's 0.3, date 5th August.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by fkretlow » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:15 pm

benwiggy wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:26 pm
fkretlow wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:50 pm
Does 0.3 look right when exported as pdf?
Seems to be ok, as far as I can tell. It's 0.3, date 5th August.
Well.
That is a most unexpected report.
What about the latest version? For all I know (or rather, for all I have come to guess) about that Qt bug I would expect that the figures are stacked bottom-up in Dorico on Mac, but top-down when printed (very much like David has reported here for an older version, just the other way around). Do you find that's the case for you?
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by benwiggy » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:04 am

fkretlow wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:15 pm
That is a most unexpected report.
I'm looking over our correspondence in the forum PMs, which seems to cover most aspects. I'll have a test of the latest version and let you know what I discover.
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Post by benwiggy » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:02 pm

Can I also ask everyone here: what Instruments/Players/Samples are you using in Dorico for Continuo lines? There is a theorbo, but it transposes by an 8ve, which isn't ideal.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by fkretlow » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:15 pm

I've added a second version of the font, FiguratoB, for use above the staff. It works in the same way as Figurato, except that the bottommost rows of the figures are vertically aligned.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by Michael Aves » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:49 pm

Aha! Do I spot another way to do above the stave “ficta”?

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Post by dankreider » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:53 pm

benwiggy wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:02 pm
Can I also ask everyone here: what Instruments/Players/Samples are you using in Dorico for Continuo lines? There is a theorbo, but it transposes by an 8ve, which isn't ideal.
This might be a little plebeian, but I just use cello and rename it.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:45 pm

fkretlow wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:49 pm
Mac users, please read this:

There is a bug in the underlying Qt framework that affects the automatic positioning in Dorico on Mac. Do be aware that if you print your score or export it as pdf the positioning of the figures will be turned upside down in the printout. This is likely to cause collisions for pretty much every figure that consists of more than one layer. Long story short: Don’t use Figurato with Dorico on Mac.
Dear Florian,

since today there is an updated Dorico Version 2.1.20 to have the underlying Qt mechanism fixed for macOS Mojave. Does this mean, with this update Mac users will be able to use your Figurato font?

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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:54 pm

dankreider wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:53 pm
benwiggy wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:02 pm
Can I also ask everyone here: what Instruments/Players/Samples are you using in Dorico for Continuo lines? There is a theorbo, but it transposes by an 8ve, which isn't ideal.
This might be a little plebeian, but I just use cello and rename it.
Dan, I use to take a bassoon for the bass line in all baroque repertoire. It is clear, has a good attack (not the whishy-whushy from the cello samples). At Sibelius days I used the built in Mac DLS QuickTime samples (which are a derivate of the Roland Sound Canvas samples).
So now in Dorico I use those sounds..
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by benwiggy » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:27 am

k_b wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:45 pm
since today there is an updated Dorico Version 2.1.20 to have the underlying Qt mechanism fixed for macOS Mojave. Does this mean, with this update Mac users will be able to use your Figurato font?
The bug in Qt that affects Figurato is on all Mac OS versions, not just Mojave. The update to Dorico only addresses one specific (and different) font bug. So, No.
k_b wrote:
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At Sibelius days I used the built in Mac DLS QuickTime samples (which are a derivate of the Roland Sound Canvas samples).
So now in Dorico I use those sounds..
You use the Apple QuickTime samples in Dorico? Or just the HALion Bassoon?
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by fkretlow » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:16 am

k_b wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:45 pm
Dear Florian,

since today there is an updated Dorico Version 2.1.20 to have the underlying Qt mechanism fixed for macOS Mojave. Does this mean, with this update Mac users will be able to use your Figurato font?

viewtopic.php?t=145377
Ben is right, unfortunately. The compatibility patch for Mojave doesn't address this bug.

I'm really sorry guys, I was hoping to make more progress on the version with pre-built ligatures for macOS before the start of the semester. I'm on it, but I'm afraid I can't devote much time to this right now.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:43 am

benwiggy wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:27 am
k_b wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:45 pm
since today there is an updated Dorico Version 2.1.20 to have the underlying Qt mechanism fixed for macOS Mojave. Does this mean, with this update Mac users will be able to use your Figurato font?
The bug in Qt that affects Figurato is on all Mac OS versions, not just Mojave. The update to Dorico only addresses one specific (and different) font bug. So, No.
k_b wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:54 pm
At Sibelius days I used the built in Mac DLS QuickTime samples (which are a derivate of the Roland Sound Canvas samples).
So now in Dorico I use those sounds..
You use the Apple QuickTime samples in Dorico? Or just the HALion Bassoon?
Ben,
I bought the Roland SoundCanvas (as a software VSL) and use this in Dorico.
Also (after a suggestion in one of the forum threads) I got an app DLS-MIDI-Synth to get access to the Apple QuickTime samples. It does work in Dorico via a virtual connection - so far I have only got channel 1 to play the piano sound though...
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by Rob Tuley » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:42 am

The old Roland samples that were used in QuickTime (and also for the built-in Microsoft midi player) were just a very cut-down version of the Roland SoundCanvas samples with most of the SoundCanvas playing controls not available.

I'm not sure what benefit you will get from trying to use them, if you bought the Virtual SoundCanvas, which should work in Dorico as a VST.

FWIW the Virtual SoundCanvas is also a significantly cut-down version of the Roland's old "SC series" hardware MIDI synths, which had a lot more options for modifying the basic sounds.

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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:33 pm

a) Rob, yes I am happy with the software Roland SoundCanvas VST. Even if I have not got everything controlled yet - a bit confusing in these circumstances is Doricos Mixer.
b) I am trying DLS-MIDI-Synth to see, wether I could have spared getting the Roland SC..
But I don’t think that is the case..
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:18 pm

fkretlow wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:16 am
Ben is right, unfortunately. The compatibility patch for Mojave doesn't address this bug.
...
I'm really sorry guys, I was hoping to make more progress on the version with pre-built ligatures for macOS before the start of the semester. I'm on it, but I'm afraid I can't devote much time to this right now.
Dear Florian,

never mind.
I had my tries with Opus Figured Bass font in the lyric translation text line.
Then for stacked items adding text by hand underneath in aproximately the right size and aproximately the right place - fiddly...
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by fkretlow » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:41 pm

You could try and use multiple lyric lines to stack the numbers of any font. You might need to adjust the setting for the distance between the lines in Engraving Options though, which is probably not an option if you need real lyrics elsewhere.

Or use only text objects with carriage returns?

Or even create your own playing techniques?

Or maybe take a look at Sebastian-FigBass, my first attempt from some five years ago? The glyphs are, well, not overwhelmingly beautiful, but the font works with numbers at different vertical positions that are mapped to different keys. It should work on Mac.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:21 am

fkretlow wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:41 pm
You could try and use multiple lyric lines to stack the numbers of any font. You might need to adjust the setting for the distance between the lines in Engraving Options though, which is probably not an option if you need real lyrics elsewhere.

Or use only text objects with carriage returns?

Or even create your own playing techniques?

Or maybe take a look at Sebastian-FigBass, my first attempt from some five years ago? The glyphs are, well, not overwhelmingly beautiful, but the font works with numbers at different vertical positions that are mapped to different keys. It should work on Mac.
Thank you Florian for replying and considering.
Yes, I needed the Lyrics for real Text input (only one line though).
This makes me think wether one could work the other way round - use lyric translation for the real lyrics and the lyris1-3 for stacked figured bass..
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Post by fkretlow » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:04 am

What's the difference? You can have multiple of translation lines too.
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:11 am

‘omg’ I completely missed this.
So one could theoretically input stacked figured bass with three lyric translation lines... and still use the regular lyrics...
Thank you Florian for pointing this out - luckily I only messed with two larger projects so far ;-)
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by fkretlow » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:31 am

Yes, I was wondering... why the hassle of mixing lyrics and text objects?
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:20 am

fkretlow wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:31 am
Yes, I was wondering... why the hassle of mixing lyrics and text objects?
You're welcome! :)
Florian,

I went through this thread and was wondering how to adjust the spacing of the lyric translation lines.
I know I have seen the values here somewhere but can not find them..

[Edit]

Found it! in Engraving Options:

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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by fkretlow » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:10 am

Whew, that’s it!
I have finally been able to devote some more time to this and created a version of Figurato that works with Dorico on Mac. It's available on the repository. For limitations and notes about portability see here.

The initial version of FiguratoMac contains about 2900 precomposed ligatures. Most of the commonly used figures should be supported. If you come across a figure that does not work as expected, please do notify me so I can add it. Open an issue in the repository, post a request here or shoot me a P.M.

I hope FiguratoMac will be useful for some of you. As always I look forward to your feedback!
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Re: Bring on that sweet figured bass!

Post by k_b » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:19 am

amazing news, Florian, thank you!
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