FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

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FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

Post by ultradust » Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:10 pm

Copied from WaveLab 8 forum at: viewtopic.php?f=189&t=93022

Use case: As a WaveLab user with numerous third-party plugins, I need to maintain a hierarchical organization of plugins within each DAW in order to streamline workflow. I find that most DAW plugin managers are less than optimal. WaveLab's plugin manager is fairly robust, but one logical function is missing. Good news: The fix should be near-trivial to implement.

The problem:
  • If a user wants to impose his/her own order upon the plugin tree in WaveLab, the user really must use the custom categories feature. Further, if a user is literally wanting to have complete control over WaveLab's plugin organization, the user really needs to set a Custom Category explicitly for each plugin - otherwise it becomes near-impossible (with hundreds of plugins) to track down which ones were auto-organized properly and which ones weren't (and thus require a custom category.) So, essentially, it's just easier/more straightforward to dive in and manually set all categories.
  • I have (with chagrin) given in to manually performing this organization, which is tedious and time-consuming - but I nonetheless did it, preferring organization over ease. The problem arises once all plugin categorization has been completed - because later on, new plugins will be installed. When that occurs, now it becomes extremely tedious to look through the huge list of plugins in "Plug-in Settings" to find which ones now need category assignment.
Current workaround: The user can, after every round of organization, click "Remove 'new' status". Then, when new plugins are installed later, they user can choose the "Only show new plugins" option to see only the new (ostensibly the only non-categorized) plugins needing categorization.

Problems with the workaround: (a) the user has to diligently remember to do this or over time the exactness breaks down and the user is forced to work back through the list manually again; and (b) When installing updates to plugins like Melda Productions' products, an entire suite of (previously installed) plugins shows up as "new" in WaveLab, creating a mess that has to be manually worked around even if "Only show new plugins" is selected.

Feature Request: Provide a selection of "Only show plugins without a custom category". This lets a user quickly find the un-custom-categorized plugins, regardless of their newness. This should be an almost trivial feature to implement; all you need to do is look to see if a plugin has a custom category set.

Alternative Solutions:
  • More work would be required to make the WaveLab plugin manager more Cubase-like. However, many people prefer the more-intuitive Cubase plugin manager (the WaveLab manager is powerful but requires some "getting used-to" - thinking about custom overrides instead of manual dragging into folders). And Cubase already handles the "show uncategorized" functionality.
  • Save yourself the hassle of developing plugin managers any further and have Steinberg develop a standalone plugin manager that WaveLab could hook into. (See my feature request here: Standalone Plugin Manager
Thanks for your consideration and for the world-class audio editor that is WaveLab. I've been using WaveLab since the 90s.

PHILIPPE'S NOTE (from viewtopic.php?f=189&t=93022):
Just one remark for the time being, in case you ignore it: if you want to assign a custom category to multiple plugins in the same time, then 1) select these plugins, 2) enter the category name for anyone of these 3) and press Enter.

MY RESPONSE:
Hi Philippe! Thank you - and yes, I have used that helpful functionality many times! :)

I would still like to maintain the above request.

Thank you for your swift reply.

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FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

Post by ultradust » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:09 pm

I would like to request this again now that version 9.0.20 has been completed. Could you please consider this?
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FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

Post by ultradust » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:18 am

Raising this again because (1) I keep running into scenarios where this would be very useful, and (2) it seems like (without looking at the code, granted) such a simple implementation. Thoughts?

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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom cate

Post by PG » Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:22 am

I have noted the idea of adding an option "Only show plugins without a custom category". This is pertinent.
But this won't happen in 9.0.30
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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom cate

Post by ultradust » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:56 pm

Thanks, Philippe.

Would you consider including this in the next release?

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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom cate

Post by PG » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:29 pm

"Only show plugins without a custom category" is noted for 9.5
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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

Post by ultradust » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:16 am

Just bumping this as a reminder, since it seems we're getting close to 9.5. :)

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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

Post by PG » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:35 am

I know this request, this is on the todo list, but I must admit it did not find its way for 9.5, because of some other priorities. Don't loose hope, though!
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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

Post by ultradust » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:07 am

Thanks, Philippe. Enjoying 9.5.

Can you provide an estimate on arrival of this feature?

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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

Post by PG » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:18 am

I expected you to come back on this ;)
There was the plan to renew the plugin scanning (to be faster), and to update the plugin settings. But there was not enough time, hence this is pushed to the next big update.
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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: Plug-in Settings > Show w/o custom category

Post by ultradust » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:27 pm

Philippe, thank you for implementing this feature. It has greatly helped with plugin management workflow.

I really appreciate the work you put into this one.

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