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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by Viking » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:37 pm

If you ask this same question to Phillipe on the WL7 forum, he will say the same thing 'not supported' 'not tested'.
WL7 does however run on XP, I've had no problems yet with WL7.
I'm hoping the same will be true of Cubase 6, but if not I'm going to migrate to W7 soemthing or other!!!

I'm eagerly awaiting it's arrival, though the steiny shop said, Out of Stock when I ordered it yesterday :o

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Post by Arjan P » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:56 pm

That's the great advantage of having the software's godfather (Wavelab 7) available on the forum. Philippe does acknowledge WL7 runs on XP - just gives no guarantees. And for support; he also tries helping one who has WL7 on XP. Cubase is quite different in that respect, but it's just the way it is - and on the other hand, Cubase has a much bigger user base...

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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by andyjh » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:32 pm

Arjan P wrote:
andyjh wrote:I will now have to sell them something else
You could also have them consider getting with the times. XP is 10 years old.

Luck, Arjan

No I am talking about people that bought a computer maybe yesterday or even today, you can still buy brand new computers with Vista installed, and many have hardware/software that will not work with Windows 7.

When you are involved with retail, you see the bigger picture, a very big proportion of people will have a Vista or Win XP computer, and have a few hundred pounds (dollars, Euros etc..) to spend on a sequencing package, unless they are prepared to spend half as much again on a new operating system and run the risk of their existing software and hardware not work, they are going to ask the most obvious question - "What other sequencing software will work on my Vista computer".

I use Cubase, and don't think there is anything better out there, but this is going to be a problem, unless we discover that Cubase 6 on a non Win 7 system is actually OK
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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by Arjan P » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:43 pm

andyjh wrote:No I am talking about people that bought a computer maybe yesterday or even today, you can still buy brand new computers with Vista installed, and many have hardware/software that will not work with Windows 7.
That is completely unknown to me, and I doubt it is the case where I am. Who in their right mind would buy a new PC with anything else but the current OS (more than a year old) on it?

If your hardware has no Win7 driver, I can see there is a problem with C6. Can't blame Steinberg for that though.

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Post by samicide » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:51 pm

andyjh wrote: I am talking about people that bought a computer maybe yesterday or even today, you can still buy brand new computers with Vista installed
no problem, just about anyone who buys a brand new computer today with vista on it is entitled to a free upgrade to windows 7. It's been that way for almost 2 years. (Gateway, Dell, Hp, etc etc)
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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by andyjh » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:02 pm

Arjan P wrote:
andyjh wrote:No I am talking about people that bought a computer maybe yesterday or even today, you can still buy brand new computers with Vista installed, and many have hardware/software that will not work with Windows 7.
That is completely unknown to me, and I doubt it is the case where I am. Who in their right mind would buy a new PC with anything else but the current OS (more than a year old) on it?

If your hardware has no Win7 driver, I can see there is a problem with C6. Can't blame Steinberg for that though.

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It is often said, never buy a new operating system until it reaches a service pack, people will remember the disasters of previous Windows OS when they first came out, so there are very good reasons why many will not fall over themselves to go for the latest OS.
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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by JimH » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:47 pm

Arjan P wrote:You could also have them consider getting with the times. XP is 10 years old.
Arjan P wrote:If your hardware has no Win7 driver, I can see there is a problem with C6. Can't blame Steinberg for that though.
Can we blame Yamaha then? My Yamaha mLAN hardware has no Win7 driver and apparently never will. I'd like to upgrade to Win7, but it means losing that hardware.

As hardware has become increasingly integrated with computers, it has also acquired a limited lifespan. And you don't know what that lifespan will be. There's no chance I would buy a Yamaha S90XS since I've read that editing some sound parameters cannot be done from the front panel but requires a computer. How long will they keep updating the software that does that for new operating systems? Based on past mLAN experience, there will be a limit. How long until they stop updating the driver for the MR816 interface? Ironically, it seems like the older my hardware is (like my pre-1995 keyboards and synth modules) the more likely it is to still work.
andyjh wrote:It is often said, never buy a new operating system until it reaches a service pack, ....
On a side note, I think this is one of the reasons MS still releases service packs. Actually, all the bug fixes that are in a service pack usually already come in the form of the weekly automatic updates. But because people now have the perception that the O/S isn't stable until it gets a service pack, MS releases them anyway.
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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by thinkingcap » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:16 pm

andyjh wrote:It is often said, never buy a new operating system until it reaches a service pack, people will remember the disasters of previous Windows OS when they first came out, so there are very good reasons why many will not fall over themselves to go for the latest OS.
It is also often said, never buy a Steinberg release before version x.5 so why the discussion here you probably have one more year to even think about updating...
JimH wrote:Can we blame Yamaha then?
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Post by JimH » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:52 pm

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Post by DjRavix » Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:28 pm

thinkingcap wrote: It is also often said, never buy a Steinberg release before version x.5 so why the discussion here you probably have one more year to even think about updating...
Lol ...
They never said that Before Cubase 5
the only 2 versions of cubase that ever made it to x.5 are Cubase 4/5 So That Might explaine it
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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by thinkingcap » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:35 am

DjRavix wrote:
thinkingcap wrote: It is also often said, never buy a Steinberg release before version x.5 so why the discussion here you probably have one more year to even think about updating...
Lol ...
They never said that Before Cubase 5
the only 2 versions of cubase that ever made it to x.5 are Cubase 4/5 So That Might explaine it
Was that "never buy a x.0 release" then..? :)
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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by thinkingcap » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:39 am

So what is written on your interfaces "Yamaha" or "Steinberg"..?
It seems hard to understand for some, but if "Yamaha" then, as also Chris Beuermann already stated, a Steinberg forum is the wrong place, to ask support for or complain about (though I of course understand that Steinberg is the root of all evil and has to be made responsible for everything... :lol: ). Quite surely that´s why you can´t find any "YAMAHA Gear" sections on these forums...Take some time to think about it and you´ll maybe get the concept...
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Post by Tones2 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:24 pm

Arjan P wrote:
andyjh wrote:I will now have to sell them something else
You could also have them consider getting with the times. XP is 10 years old.

Luck, Arjan
Well, although XP is 10 years old, it was still the current operating system until Vista came out in 2007. So it's really just 4 year since it's discontinuance, which is a more proper way to judge.
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Post by DjRavix » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:00 am

I heard That I4Muzique Has tested Cubase 6 On XP and it seems to them that it runs just Fine
However Do not expect to much help from steinberg if something might go wrong (Since they did not test it)
They do Not Officially Support it (They did never say that it will not work)
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Re: XP....will it or won't it???

Post by Keres » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:54 am

For me it all comes down to money. I run Cubase on two machines, both XP/SP2 and both totally stable with no need whatever to upgrade the O/S.

Assuming C6 doesn't like XP, then to upgrade to W7 would cost me 2 x £90 or so, plus £120 for the C6 upgrade, i.e. around £300 in all.

For me, this is simply asking too much.
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Post by Quietly » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:48 pm

If it doesn't work on XP it really is going to cost me nothing as I will not upgrade. As Yamaha have dropped driver support for the 01X for Windows 7 the cost for me to replace the 01X with another interface, mixing desk, controller plus the OS upgrade to replace something that is working perfectly is just not an option.

I know Steinberg doesn't want to mention Yamaha but this statement on the Yamaha purchase of Steinberg turned out to be complete B@@@S@@t
With the acquisition of Steinberg, Yamaha plans to further promote the Studio Connection initiative and realize seamless technical integration of hardware, such as synthesizers and digital mixers, and software. Another goal of the acquisition is to expand the market by making it easier for both general users and professionals alike to create music in a broad variety of genres.
Bottom line just hoping that 6 will be fine on XP.
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Post by scottrod » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:02 pm

+1 for what Quietly said.

If I go to Win7, with my current mLan setup, I would have to give up:

Motif ES8 w/ mLan
Kurzweil KSP8 mLan interface
i88x to get everything else ITB
XP OS
Hours of reconfiguration and learning a new OS and keyboard interface.

So, to go to a "supported" OS, it would cost about, oh about $5000 USD for a clean transition plus my time.

No thanks, will take my chances with a $149 upgrade.

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Post by Vocalpoint » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:01 pm

scottrod wrote:If I go to Win7, with my current mLan setup, I would have to give up:

Motif ES8 w/ mLan
Kurzweil KSP8 mLan interface
i88x to get everything else ITB
XP OS
Hours of reconfiguration and learning a new OS and keyboard interface.

So, to go to a "supported" OS, it would cost about, oh about $5000 USD for a clean transition plus my time.

No thanks, will take my chances with a $149 upgrade.
Or you may experience hours of down time, errors, glitches and other nonsense that will grind your "time" down to a halt. Your call....
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Post by Bernard Focquet » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:35 pm

scottrod wrote: If I go to Win7, with my current mLan setup, I would have to give up:

Motif ES8 w/ mLan
Kurzweil KSP8 mLan interface
i88x to get everything else ITB
XP OS
Hours of reconfiguration and learning a new OS and keyboard interface.

So, to go to a "supported" OS, it would cost about, oh about $5000 USD for a clean transition plus my time.

No thanks, will take my chances with a $149 upgrade.
Keep in mind that the more you wait, the more it can be costly.
The gap to fill between obsolete equipement (technology) could be very expensive in case of any hardware/software failure of any component in your chain that will force you to change everything for something else at the worst time (dixit Murphy's law).

My 2 cents.

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Post by Little Red King » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:38 pm

Bernard Focquet wrote:
scottrod wrote: If I go to Win7, with my current mLan setup, I would have to give up:

...edited for brevity...

So, to go to a "supported" OS, it would cost about, oh about $5000 USD for a clean transition plus my time.

No thanks, will take my chances with a $149 upgrade.
Keep in mind that the more you wait, the more it can be costly.
...bold above added by me ... edited for brevity...

My 2 cents.

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In my experience early adopters usually pay more for a technology than those who can wait a while.

In most negotiations or business deals, time ends up being the most important parameter. The person who can wait the longest is often the one controlling the deal and coming out with the best situation at the end.

This leads me to write that when making a purchase, patience is a supreme virtue. One might listen to the marketing rhetoric and hyperbole but one should analyze it calmly and objectively. There is almost certainly no reason to make a snap judgment and impulse purchase.

In my experience, patience and objectivity have usually led me to the most cost effective decisions.

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Post by Arjan P » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:47 pm

Little Red King wrote:In most negotiations or business deals, time ends up being the most important parameter. The person who can wait the longest is often the one controlling the deal and coming out with the best situation at the end.
Buying of the latest upgrade of one's audio program - or not - is not exactly a business deal. If you wait for 6.01 or 6.2 or whatever, you still pay the same price for the upgrade.

I know I will be using the latest version in the end, so nothing lost by using the latest as it comes out. It's not like it will irrepairably ruin the install of the previous version. So if I come across a definite show-stopper in the 6.0 version - I'll just exit it and start up 5.5.2. And still be ahead of the 'wise' person waiting for 6.2, cause I have part of the learning curve behind me..
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Post by Little Red King » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:01 pm

Arjan P wrote: Buying of the latest upgrade of one's audio program - or not - is not exactly a business deal. If you wait for 6.01 or 6.2 or whatever, you still pay the same price for the upgrade.

I know I will be using the latest version in the end, so nothing lost by using the latest as it comes out. It's not like it will irrepairably ruin the install of the previous version. So if I come across a definite show-stopper in the 6.0 version - I'll just exit it and start up 5.5.2. And still be ahead of the 'wise' person waiting for 6.2, cause I have part of the learning curve behind me..
I consider the sale/purchase of a good or service to be a business deal. I would imagine that Steinberg considers their sale of upgrades to be business deals.

Software license prices in general (including prices for upgrades) vary based on time, channel to market and market location. Prices for Steinberg's (among many others) licenses (initial or upgrades) have varied in the past depending on time, channel and location. As long as there are no major changes either at Steinberg or in the market mechanics, It is reasonable to assume that there will continue to be price differences based on time, channel and location in the future. Different channels to market in different markets will offer the upgrade for different prices at different times. In markets where the scarcity of the good is an issue, acting sooner rather than later can be a way for the purchaser to realize a comparative price advantage. In the software license market, where product availability is essentially unlimited, pricing often falls with time. In many markets where scarcity is not an issue, early adopters often pay a higher price than those who buy later on.

In addition, the current Steinberg EULA permits reselling of a license (update or otherwise) and as long as that continues, there is likely to be a used market as well. The used market is likely to offer price advantages and will also put pressure on the price of a fresh license.

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Post by Arjan P » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:57 pm

Little Red King wrote:I consider the sale/purchase of a good or service to be a business deal. I would imagine that Steinberg considers their sale of upgrades to be business deals.
I consider a deal something having been negotiated - not a simple transaction like giving a person money in exchange for the right to use their software for a fixed price decided by them. But indeed, if you wait long enough, C6 will be on the second hand market and you're likely to pay less than new. Maybe then you can make a deal..

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Post by Bernard Focquet » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:37 am

Little Red King wrote:In addition, the current Steinberg EULA permits reselling of a license (update or otherwise) and as long as that continues, there is likely to be a used market as well. The used market is likely to offer price advantages and will also put pressure on the price of a fresh license.
You can't compare the second hand market of goods and software licenses at the same level.
A license is a right to use a software not an ownership. Be happy than Steinberg allows reselling licenses, most EULA do not permit. There is no lost value in a second hand software license compared to second hand goods.

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Post by Guest » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:23 pm

neilhunter wrote:Will C6 run on XP?

been on xp sp 3 with net frame 3.5 with sp1 as adviced , loaded up including preset info from c5.52 ,tried elastic pro

amp rack old imported project from c5 , running with out a problem at the mo ,install was straight forward ,so yes it seems to be stable on xp

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