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Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:48 pm
by Rhino
raino wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:50 pm
I got a used instead of new iPad which saved some money and it works great.
sure, that's a good option.
maybe even my buddy feels compelled to fund poor Apple once more, so I can "inherit" the very iPad I'll borrow for testing ...
he's the "latest, greatest" type, so ... ;)
cheers,
Rhino

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:51 pm
by raino
Rhino wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:48 pm
he's the "latest, greatest" type, so ... ;)
Yes those folks are very useful for those of us who aren't

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:59 pm
by Stephen57
Rhino wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:44 pm
adding to Raino's Metagrid suggestion, and -steve-'s MIDI KB one, there are several ASCII based KBs that are made specifically for this task.
You can define your own multi-key combinations in the driver "per key" (Like your alt+shift+f12 for example), which have to correspond to the KCs you assigned in Cubase for your actions & macros - it's dead easy and 100% reliable.
I use several of these in combination :
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- Logitech G13 - 3 layers of G-keys + a handy joystick (e.g. for zooming)
- Logitech G11 - regular ASCII KB, with 3x 18 G-keys on the left
both share the same driver, stupidly named "Gaming Software", which has the additional advantage of application-specific profiles, so your custom keys will only work in Cubase, but for Wavelab you can have a different set.
Profile switching is automatic depending on focus.
both are discontinued, but easily available used (and built to last half a lifetime).
- in the middle you see a Cherry POS KB (no, not what you think :P , Point Of Sale) with 144 freely assignable keys.
the coloured keycaps were donated by two old editor's keyboards, but stock it comes with removable transparent caps to print out your own key labels, and there's a wide selection of compatible coloured key caps available in the usual places.
- In addition / combination with these I use AutoHotKey (AHK) to overcome Cubase's key focus problems.
- finally, the mouse has extra buttons I use for modifier keys (e.g. alt, very handy for tool switching)

a general piece of advice :
you'll soon notice that the real challenge is "brain to KB" mapping, not the "KB to Cubase" interface.
I rely heavily on colours and shapes (both physical key- and colour patterns) for memorizing, works really great for me.
If you have to check out written key labels before pressing your KC, you're doing something wrong, even the mouse might be faster then.
so my seemingly wild mix of devices actually makes perfect sense from the memorizing standpoint.

hope that gives you some ideas,
all Windows, ime, ymmv,
Rhino

(I see, Rommelaar typed faster ;) )
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Beautiful set-up. I finally got an I-pad and metagrid. I Installed the server, the virtual midi-port and base template. Working up the macros and other things.

Most challenging for me is working out ergonomic positioning of the i-Pad. I'm working on that.

Right out of the box, I was very happy with the functions. I'm sure I'll tweak things as I get more adept at using it.

Metagrid really seems to be a great way to operate Cubase.

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:44 pm
by NathanBros
What a clever setup Rhino, congrats, its inspiring! :thumbsup:

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:15 pm
by raino
Stephen57 wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:59 pm
Most challenging for me is working out ergonomic positioning of the i-Pad. I'm working on that.
I found a little stand like this dramatically improved how I'm able to interact with the iPad while using Cubase.
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07CG71KQ1/ ... B014GCTGFM

Also somewhere above were some comments about using Metagrid only tethered by USB to avoid DAW internet access. Using the iPad without a cord, just grabbing and going wherever you like is a big plus. And you don't need to access the internet to get there. You can have a little LAN in the studio that talks to the iPad wirelessly but doesn't connect to the outside world.

Also gaming mice should be mentioned since they typically have a bunch of programmable buttons.

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:34 am
by Rhino
NathanBros wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:44 pm
What a clever setup Rhino, congrats, its inspiring! :thumbsup:
thanks, it's evolved over many years and suits me like an old shoe ...
most recent addition (not pictured here) - a Console 1 above the Cherry KB.
if you would like to discuss any specific solutions, I'll be happy to share my concepts, scripts & stuff, just don't expect any "painting by numbers", these controller things depend on your personal "thinking patterns" big time.
the tech stuff is universal, how you map all the functions is entirely up to you.
cheers,
Rhino

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:52 am
by Rhino
raino wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:15 pm
Also somewhere above were some comments about using Metagrid only tethered by USB to avoid DAW internet access. Using the iPad without a cord, just grabbing and going wherever you like is a big plus. And you don't need to access the internet to get there. You can have a little LAN in the studio that talks to the iPad wirelessly but doesn't connect to the outside world.
good point !
I was mostly worried if the iPad requires to phone home on a regular basis, but all I've heard this is not the case after initial install.
I will test both connections in summer, I have several things that tie me to my "pole position", not least the speaker sweet spot, so a cable would be perfectly fine.
raino wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:15 pm
Also gaming mice should be mentioned since they typically have a bunch of programmable buttons.
absolutely !
the ideal entry drug for beginners ...
if I had to pick my single most useful key command, it would have to be "alt" on the 1st thumb key of my Logitech M705, for temp tool switching (plus I set alt+click to reset parameters).

thanks,
Rhino

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:47 pm
by MattiasNYC
I didn't read every post in detail, but if you're looking for a keyboard for macros it's also possible to look at keyboards dedicated either for that use like the X-keys products;

http://xkeys.com/XkeysKeyboards/index.php

or, you could actually look at products aimed at retail (stores). These POS (point-of-sale) keyboards often have software that goes with it, and have multiple layers, and allow for both separate key strokes per key per layer as well as macros per layer.

A while ago I ordered and received an 84-key keyboard from Preh Keytech and it did what I wanted it to do pretty easily, although with an ugly software. One thing to add is that sometimes adding a delay between key commands is really useful. Depending on the software (DAW) and computer rapidly firing keys in succession might not properly trigger the correct commands in the DAW, so a delay between commands sometimes solves that.

(Prehkeytec page as an example)

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:10 pm
by Stephen57
raino wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:15 pm
Stephen57 wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:59 pm
Most challenging for me is working out ergonomic positioning of the i-Pad. I'm working on that.
I found a little stand like this dramatically improved how I'm able to interact with the iPad while using Cubase.
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07CG71KQ1/ ... B014GCTGFM
I purchased a $15 dollar program, got a free i-pad from a friend and now need a $2500 desk to make it work! ;-) Kidding. The stands look great, thanks.

When I get it set up correctly (for me) it will be QWERTY keyboard, then i-pad within easy reach. I think the arm and wrist angles will work out like that. I'll post a shot and get back to some of the other metagrid threads when I'm more up to speed with it.

Your help on this and so many other things is greatly appreciated.

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:34 am
by Rhino
MattiasNYC wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:47 pm
I didn't read every post in detail, but if you're looking for a keyboard for macros it's also possible to look at keyboards dedicated either for that use like the X-keys products;

http://xkeys.com/XkeysKeyboards/index.php

or, you could actually look at products aimed at retail (stores). These POS (point-of-sale) keyboards often have software that goes with it, and have multiple layers, and allow for both separate key strokes per key per layer as well as macros per layer.

A while ago I ordered and received an 84-key keyboard from Preh Keytech and it did what I wanted it to do pretty easily, although with an ugly software. One thing to add is that sometimes adding a delay between key commands is really useful. Depending on the software (DAW) and computer rapidly firing keys in succession might not properly trigger the correct commands in the DAW, so a delay between commands sometimes solves that.

(Prehkeytec page as an example)
right, that's exactly what my 144 key Cherry KB is (pic above)
here's the identical KB, only pre-mapped for PT, @ almost 3x the price :
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https://www.thomann.de/gb/dna_music_lab ... pc_mac.htm
(that's how the stock key caps look like, transparent & removable)

I prefer to do my own layout, thank you ... 8-)

ymmv,
Rhino

Re: Dedicated keyboard for macros?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:46 am
by FPHam
A little late to the party...
No need to pay big bucks, you can plug in any standard USB keyboard (in fact more than one) and use this tool

https://mediachance.com/multikeyboard/

to define any shortcuts or macro sequences across all the keyboards. It even has full scripting engine for some devious shenanigans.

There is a second app that does the same with any MIDI devices (like pads, launchpads etc... even sliders)

https://mediachance.com/midimacros/

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