stingray wrote: mikemandt wrote:
profdraper wrote:Unfortunately, the Cubase PRE function is actually set as a post-fader function. Stupid really.
FYI the PRE section is not post fader.
So which one of you is right? I'm not quite grasping this part.
The PRE section is pre-fader, not past fader, and comes first in the signal chain. It's in the user manual. The basic signal flow through a channel is in the following order:
PRE section (Phase, Trim, Filter)
Inserts 1-6 pre (position exchangeable with Strip)
Strip (position exchangeable with Inserts 1-6)
Channel Fader / Mute
Inserts 7-8 post
Note that when you set the channel meters to "input" you are metering the signal BEFORE it passes through the channel... in other words you are metering the channel input (or what is recorded on the hard disk) BEFORE it arrives at the PRE section.
This is incorrect, and the manual is incorrect. Easy to verify: run a 1k sine wave test tone through the system [also good to calibrate & see what's happening with the summing, groups etc generally, set at -20 as per Katz for that use]
In VST devices, create a mono group set to no output;
Insert the Steinberg Test Generator plug on this group & select a 1k sine wave (max it out at 0.00db for this purpose);
Create a mono audio track with its input set to the tone group & its output set to the stereo output bus.
Set the mixer meter positon to Input; put the Audio track in input monitoring or record.
Now try to pull that Pre gain down on the audio track and it is clear this has no effect on the input level (only the master fader output).
Similarly, record that tone on the same audio track, playback, same results.
The PRE function does not effect input levels, is only a gain stage first in the output chain.
Poor implementation of that feature & its terminology.
Meanwhile, the capacity to see and use audio input faders works very well (unlike many other DAWs); if recording for headroom here, no problem. However in 'gain staging', this takes on at least three different functions and meanings in this context: i) new audio recordings as above, fine; ii) stems from elsewhere as too hot (use the region audio handle first up to drop the level & before strip silence or similar; iii) VIs too hot, drop the level at their master output.
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