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mozizo wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:19 pm
i wonder if steiny/yamaha were wating for their new "control protocol" to come out with cubase 11' and then have a new hardware controller that goes deep into cubase 11 with the new protocol.
its been a long time since they come with new controller for the low/medium budget ,and seems users here asking for it
Yamaha are part of the MMA who designed MIDI 2.0 specs. So, we should be seeing more global controllers using these standards.

MIDI 2.0 is practically limitless when you consider that devices and software can share xml data across them. All Steinberg (and other DAW creators) need to do is create a hook for plugins and the DAW itself to communicate the .xml strings and there should be full parameter control and hardware feedback display as part of the standard.

Similar to Avid/EUCON control really, but baked into future hardware/software hopefully. If they go further into custom hardware, it's just a waste of R&D (imo).

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skijumptoes wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:39 pm
mozizo wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:19 pm
i wonder if steiny/yamaha were wating for their new "control protocol" to come out with cubase 11' and then have a new hardware controller that goes deep into cubase 11 with the new protocol.
its been a long time since they come with new controller for the low/medium budget ,and seems users here asking for it
Yamaha are part of the MMA who designed MIDI 2.0 specs. So, we should be seeing more global controllers using these standards.

MIDI 2.0 is practically limitless when you consider that devices and software can share xml data across them. All Steinberg (and other DAW creators) need to do is create a hook for plugins and the DAW itself to communicate the .xml strings and there should be full parameter control and hardware feedback display as part of the standard.

Similar to Avid/EUCON control really, but baked into future hardware/software hopefully. If they go further into custom hardware, it's just a waste of R&D (imo).
looks like steinberg from what i see,used to produce controller that best or exclusivly used for thier software,unlike presounus controllers for example that are somewhat more global although they go deeper with studio one.
anyway a good thought deep integration with cubase and 3rd party plugins controller whould be nice. of course they will benefit more if its also open and easy functional for other DWA
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Re: Cubase 11 : markers in all the MIDI editor !

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A very important function, always forgotten in Cubase: display the markers in all the MIDI editor!
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I think there's a lot of good ideas in the first post in this thread but stability is the critical factor that would get me off 10.0.

Too many people reported that 10.5 is less stable than 10.0.

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Setup update? Audi connections problems here.
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Eliminate USB-eLicenser
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that is archaic, annoying, for producers who live traveling and do not want to be aware of a USB.

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lovegames wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:55 pm
kostal wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:22 pm
lovegames wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:17 pm
revamp of external audio connections is on of the most important. I would pick it over everything on that list combined
Okay. Lol.. I'm sensing a pattern, my friend! Good luck.
The pattern is logical analysis and conclusion.

I have a personal list of about 200 feature requests spread out across multiple notebooks crammed with notes, some of which are the ones you've listed. I know every quirk about this program like how StepDesigners CC modulators are Cubase global and don't save/recall project to project which is annoying and ridiculous.
- Waveform anti-aliasing.
Nice but non-essential.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance (if anything decrease it)
- Professional metering
Nice, but again, can live without, have 3rd party tools as most do.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to significantly assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance (if anything decrease it)
- Moving tracks in mixer.
Nice, but meh, I've lived without and can continue to. I think potential problems with this is the folders aren't displayed in mixer.
-Could speed up workflow a bit, but not significantly. I always keep my tracks organized before I'm opening up the mixer.
-Isn't going to significantly assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
- Warping on arrangement window/tracks.
Not sure what you're talking about here
- Better fonts/colors.
-meh, everything's fine, check your OCD maybe.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Ability to turn on and off grid lines in arrangement window.
This could be useful with a key command but again:
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Multi-track free warp
-This could be useful, but honestly, I avoid Warp at all costs. cut-slide-xfade is still the preferred method - doesn't degrade the sound variably across the entire project from one section to the next, doesn't create artifacts, etc.
- Nudging of events and midi notes by specific musical or time values by key command and nudge tools (without the use of logical editor).
Why? What is wrong with keybinding PLE scripts? I think you can even skip PLE and just use macros for this:
--Cut
--Nudge Cursor Forward by quantize value
--Paste
- Proper EUCON support (reflect hidden tracks etc.)
I'm guessing Steinberg/Yamaha are developing their own control/console interfaces such as Nuage.
- Gapless audio engine
Nice, would be good to get rid of any slight annoyance like this
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
- Folder group tracks (folder tracks fold/reflect in mixer)
Manageable without this, can survive.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Range selection edit on event gain/envelopes
-Could be nice, but you can set up a macro to split the selection, trim by -6db and crossfade all in one key stroke.
- Stereo plugins on mono tracks.
Could be useful sometimes, but I hardly run into this and a solution is a keystroke away and couple clicks away.
- Range selection edit on tempo track.
I'll give you this one, anyone doing a lot of tempo work, tempo editing is a bit finicky.
- Ability to show only event name or event description—not both. Or events follow track names exactly always. Also event names to be tabbed thinly so they don’t overlap waveforms (see Logic or Cubase 5?)
Nice but can live without, actually if I were to suggest one thing here, it would be to resolve the name obscuring the waveform. the name should be behind the waveform or transparent or something.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Tabbed VST views
This could be good, I'll give you this one. Some sort of VST window management
- Slicing in sampler track
This could be good, I'll give you this one.
- Smooth playhead cursor (see Logic Pro X)
Not sure what you're talking about here - my cursor is fine.
- Inspector icons/workflow enhancement.
huh?
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Elastic band in midi editor like Ableton
Not sure what this so I'll pass personally
- Improved markers display/visuals
The only thing I would suggest here is that there is an option for markers to visually extend their legs down to the bottom of the project and to pin marker tracks to the top ruler or in the project Overview which would give it a use.
- Drum editor and key editor enhancement (patterns).
- Everythings pretty good to make music and compositions. What I would improve actually is the DrumMap editor which is still an archaic line by line text column editor thing.
- Triplets and swing grid in warping
I perform triplets. I think isn't there a way to hack your own grid map? I thought there was a way to do this. maybe not.
- Better way to import and store swing/groove Q presets.
Sure I don't know, I guess. sort of a yawn. I'll throw you a bone I guess.
- LFOs/VST modular routing.
If you're talking FL Studio cross patching, Not really what Cubase does nor is it what I want my head to be contending with while working in Cubase. Cubase hosts things that does this. Last thing I would want is for someone to send me their project to work on and have this random *flower* scattered everywhere.
-so, no. bad idea.
- Ableton Link support
-Why? Never understand why people have utility for this, is it even realistic? There's already ways of achieving this as stated above. Just do some work in Ableton, commit, export. I'm more concerned with improving Cubase as a self-contained program integrating other Steinberg assets.
- Paid 500 series type options for channel strip. Perhaps an even deeper Console 1 integration with strips.
They could do this with RND (I have a thread suggesting so), but this isn't a priority, there's already so many plugin options out there offering colours.
- Maybe a hardware controller for Groove Agent (see PreSonus or NI)
This would be good and is something missing. Steinberg has the software asking for HW drum control, Yamaha has the resources. They could team up with Roger Linn and Dave Smith (the aesthetics and nerd factor matches Cubase)
- A way to edit transient settings on elastique algorithms. Etc.
Meh, I mostly avoid these utilities but they have their purpose, if some tweakable settings gave significantly better results, sure.


So, it's only an alright list. And this is the problem with the Feature Requests forums, no offense, but there is a lack of deliberative criticism on what people suggest and why and we just end up with huge lists without a consolidated direction.

Audio Connections

a.) It's still the old GUI, so it needs an update regardless.

b.) While the industry swung hard into being mostly ITB, it swung back and leveled out between the two in which a lot of people are moving back to or are aspiring to work with analog equipment, gear. Eurorack exploded, 500 series exploded, Behringer is releasing affordable knockoffs, lots of guitar pedal makers as always, DIY pro audio community exploded, used Synth market exploded, pro audio external hardware effects are returning such as the new Neve AMS RMX16 500 and the Eventide H9000. All of Steinbergs new marketing has eurorack and synths in it.

Steinberg has not facilitated this change, in which people have more gear than they do AD/DA and that is a big problem. Audio Connections can't be shared, they get stolen, they break from project to project and don't recall properly sometimes. External Audio Connections to make it worse, doesn't have a full-recall presets only individual presets. If you are running a studio with only 16ad/da which you are using sometimes 16 channels for recording inputs, and then 12 of those are being switched to analog gear for mixing, and then you're having to switch back to full recording set up, and then you're doing a combination of synth recording and external mixing, etc, etc. It's incredibly non-viable way of working.

Now the vast majority of people who have Cubase, probably have no gear, perhaps not even AD/DA and just use their laptops headphone out. But this is important for Steinberg to facilitate professional studios and high-end hobbiests. Steinberg is at a critical point to break a bigger chunk off of that market for themselves, and improving this aspect of Cubase is essential to that.
@lovegames You would be surprised, how many people, but many (in my case we are 16) select a DAW for small details. Since the great details have been covered by MOST DAWs. I use FL Studio, and Ableton for electronic music, and I have several awards for production. So no less appreciate the little details that make a difference.

and please, gentlemen CUBASE remove USB-ELICENSER

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Re: Cubase 11

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amoysenior wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:03 pm
lovegames wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:55 pm
kostal wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:22 pm


Okay. Lol.. I'm sensing a pattern, my friend! Good luck.
The pattern is logical analysis and conclusion.

I have a personal list of about 200 feature requests spread out across multiple notebooks crammed with notes, some of which are the ones you've listed. I know every quirk about this program like how StepDesigners CC modulators are Cubase global and don't save/recall project to project which is annoying and ridiculous.
- Waveform anti-aliasing.
Nice but non-essential.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance (if anything decrease it)
- Professional metering
Nice, but again, can live without, have 3rd party tools as most do.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to significantly assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance (if anything decrease it)
- Moving tracks in mixer.
Nice, but meh, I've lived without and can continue to. I think potential problems with this is the folders aren't displayed in mixer.
-Could speed up workflow a bit, but not significantly. I always keep my tracks organized before I'm opening up the mixer.
-Isn't going to significantly assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
- Warping on arrangement window/tracks.
Not sure what you're talking about here
- Better fonts/colors.
-meh, everything's fine, check your OCD maybe.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Ability to turn on and off grid lines in arrangement window.
This could be useful with a key command but again:
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Multi-track free warp
-This could be useful, but honestly, I avoid Warp at all costs. cut-slide-xfade is still the preferred method - doesn't degrade the sound variably across the entire project from one section to the next, doesn't create artifacts, etc.
- Nudging of events and midi notes by specific musical or time values by key command and nudge tools (without the use of logical editor).
Why? What is wrong with keybinding PLE scripts? I think you can even skip PLE and just use macros for this:
--Cut
--Nudge Cursor Forward by quantize value
--Paste
- Proper EUCON support (reflect hidden tracks etc.)
I'm guessing Steinberg/Yamaha are developing their own control/console interfaces such as Nuage.
- Gapless audio engine
Nice, would be good to get rid of any slight annoyance like this
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
- Folder group tracks (folder tracks fold/reflect in mixer)
Manageable without this, can survive.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Range selection edit on event gain/envelopes
-Could be nice, but you can set up a macro to split the selection, trim by -6db and crossfade all in one key stroke.
- Stereo plugins on mono tracks.
Could be useful sometimes, but I hardly run into this and a solution is a keystroke away and couple clicks away.
- Range selection edit on tempo track.
I'll give you this one, anyone doing a lot of tempo work, tempo editing is a bit finicky.
- Ability to show only event name or event description—not both. Or events follow track names exactly always. Also event names to be tabbed thinly so they don’t overlap waveforms (see Logic or Cubase 5?)
Nice but can live without, actually if I were to suggest one thing here, it would be to resolve the name obscuring the waveform. the name should be behind the waveform or transparent or something.
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Tabbed VST views
This could be good, I'll give you this one. Some sort of VST window management
- Slicing in sampler track
This could be good, I'll give you this one.
- Smooth playhead cursor (see Logic Pro X)
Not sure what you're talking about here - my cursor is fine.
- Inspector icons/workflow enhancement.
huh?
-Isn't going to significantly speed up workflow
-Isn't going to assist in improving audio/production quality
-Isn't going to contribute or help deliver creative output
-Isn't going to improve performance
- Elastic band in midi editor like Ableton
Not sure what this so I'll pass personally
- Improved markers display/visuals
The only thing I would suggest here is that there is an option for markers to visually extend their legs down to the bottom of the project and to pin marker tracks to the top ruler or in the project Overview which would give it a use.
- Drum editor and key editor enhancement (patterns).
- Everythings pretty good to make music and compositions. What I would improve actually is the DrumMap editor which is still an archaic line by line text column editor thing.
- Triplets and swing grid in warping
I perform triplets. I think isn't there a way to hack your own grid map? I thought there was a way to do this. maybe not.
- Better way to import and store swing/groove Q presets.
Sure I don't know, I guess. sort of a yawn. I'll throw you a bone I guess.
- LFOs/VST modular routing.
If you're talking FL Studio cross patching, Not really what Cubase does nor is it what I want my head to be contending with while working in Cubase. Cubase hosts things that does this. Last thing I would want is for someone to send me their project to work on and have this random *flower* scattered everywhere.
-so, no. bad idea.
- Ableton Link support
-Why? Never understand why people have utility for this, is it even realistic? There's already ways of achieving this as stated above. Just do some work in Ableton, commit, export. I'm more concerned with improving Cubase as a self-contained program integrating other Steinberg assets.
- Paid 500 series type options for channel strip. Perhaps an even deeper Console 1 integration with strips.
They could do this with RND (I have a thread suggesting so), but this isn't a priority, there's already so many plugin options out there offering colours.
- Maybe a hardware controller for Groove Agent (see PreSonus or NI)
This would be good and is something missing. Steinberg has the software asking for HW drum control, Yamaha has the resources. They could team up with Roger Linn and Dave Smith (the aesthetics and nerd factor matches Cubase)
- A way to edit transient settings on elastique algorithms. Etc.
Meh, I mostly avoid these utilities but they have their purpose, if some tweakable settings gave significantly better results, sure.


So, it's only an alright list. And this is the problem with the Feature Requests forums, no offense, but there is a lack of deliberative criticism on what people suggest and why and we just end up with huge lists without a consolidated direction.

Audio Connections

a.) It's still the old GUI, so it needs an update regardless.

b.) While the industry swung hard into being mostly ITB, it swung back and leveled out between the two in which a lot of people are moving back to or are aspiring to work with analog equipment, gear. Eurorack exploded, 500 series exploded, Behringer is releasing affordable knockoffs, lots of guitar pedal makers as always, DIY pro audio community exploded, used Synth market exploded, pro audio external hardware effects are returning such as the new Neve AMS RMX16 500 and the Eventide H9000. All of Steinbergs new marketing has eurorack and synths in it.

Steinberg has not facilitated this change, in which people have more gear than they do AD/DA and that is a big problem. Audio Connections can't be shared, they get stolen, they break from project to project and don't recall properly sometimes. External Audio Connections to make it worse, doesn't have a full-recall presets only individual presets. If you are running a studio with only 16ad/da which you are using sometimes 16 channels for recording inputs, and then 12 of those are being switched to analog gear for mixing, and then you're having to switch back to full recording set up, and then you're doing a combination of synth recording and external mixing, etc, etc. It's incredibly non-viable way of working.

Now the vast majority of people who have Cubase, probably have no gear, perhaps not even AD/DA and just use their laptops headphone out. But this is important for Steinberg to facilitate professional studios and high-end hobbiests. Steinberg is at a critical point to break a bigger chunk off of that market for themselves, and improving this aspect of Cubase is essential to that.
@lovegames You would be surprised, how many people, but many (in my case we are 16) select a DAW for small details. Since the great details have been covered by MOST DAWs. I use FL Studio, and Ableton for electronic music, and I have several awards for production. So no less appreciate the little details that make a difference.

and please, gentlemen CUBASE remove USB-ELICENSER
Cubase is the DAW of details. Ironically, It needs to work less on small details, and more on foundational aspects and features.

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Re: Cubase 11

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Can't you guys learn how to reply without quoting such huge blocks of text? Ridiculous.

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+10.000 for proper Eucon!!!
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