Silence at the end of the song

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Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:14 am

For a 5 minute song, I noticed that Cubasis recorded a 10+ minutes of silence at the end of it when mixed down to a WAV file.

Is this a known issue on 2.4.1?

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by LSlowak » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:32 pm

powerobject wrote:
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For a 5 minute song, I noticed that Cubasis recorded a 57 minutes of silence at the end of it when mixed down to a WAV file.

Is this a known issue on 2.4.1?

Thanks
Hi powerobject,

Please provide us with the project (please share download link via PM) and steps to reproduce the problem.
Additionally, please let me know what 3rd party plug-ins are involved.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by LSlowak » Wed May 02, 2018 9:53 am

Hi powerobject,

Thanks for providing us with the project.

I've shared all information with our engineering and testing.
So far, they are not able to reproduce the issue, which might be released to unavailable third party plug-ins at our end.

Please give it a try to mute track 5 and 6 before proceeding with the mixdown.
If the results are expected, please let us have the information about the third party plug-ins used on these tracks.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Wed May 02, 2018 3:56 pm

I used only Poison-202 on track 4 and Kauldron on tracks 5 and 6 as AUs. No other 3rd party plugins were used.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by LSlowak » Wed May 02, 2018 4:36 pm

Thanks for the additional info.
Does mixdown works as expected, when muting these tracks?

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Thu May 03, 2018 12:35 am

Hi Lars,

Yes, I tried mixing it down with Kauldron tracks muted in M4A format and it exported to correct length.
Later, I mixed it down with Kauldron tracks unmuted and it exported to 16.5 minutes (same issue as before).
Is this an issue with Kauldron? Are you going to report this to its developer and have it resolved?

Further, noticed another issue while adding Kauldron tracks before - it was ringing out Poison-202 track until I reset Cubasis by pressing the Panic button.

Would be great if you could add a full-fledged Audio Player to Cubasis. Currently, it has only the Play button against each audio file with no further interaction such as fast forward, rewind, etc. The file list should display the time length of the audio file as a separate column and it should be able to play in the background too - while we work inside Cubasis on other tasks.

Please take a look at the Song tab in VocaLive app - it has the ability to play a song over Wi-fi, File Sharing and Music Library with a NO VOICE button which eliminates vocals and turns it into a KARAOKE machine instantly. Also consider features from:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... r&hl=en_US
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... y&hl=en_US

Audio Player module in Cubasis would be really cool to be able to play any audio file by simply adding it to Cubasis. iTunes is a pain to use for so many reasons.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by LSlowak » Thu May 03, 2018 9:51 am

Hi powerobject,

I've forwarded the topic to the developers of Kauldron.
Please make sure to file a bug report to them as well.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Thu May 03, 2018 3:55 pm

Will do.

By the way, it is the same song I uploaded to YouTube last month (trimmed out the silence from the end):
Bharat Ane Nenu - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9SxdiXb8Wk

Channel - https://www.youtube.com/MobileMusic

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Shekar Reddy
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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by LSlowak » Fri May 04, 2018 11:33 am

powerobject wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 3:55 pm
Will do.

By the way, it is the same song I uploaded to YouTube last month (trimmed out the silence from the end):
Bharat Ane Nenu - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9SxdiXb8Wk

Thanks,
Shekar Reddy
Impressive work, Shekar!
Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Fri May 04, 2018 5:30 pm

Done. Reported this issue to Yonac.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Sat May 05, 2018 12:18 am

Hi Lars,

Are you going to consider the UI suggestions offered in the video (dual keyboards, triple instrument displays, etc)? See dual keyboards in FL Studio Mobile, GarageBand, Magellan, etc. We should be able to link each keyboard to separate track or link both keyboards to a single track and be able to use up the whole screen instead of just the bottom half. Dragging panels up/down would be cool too.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by LSlowak » Mon May 07, 2018 10:03 am

powerobject wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 5:30 pm
Done. Reported this issue to Yonac.

Shekar
Thanks for the info, Shekar.
Jessie from Yonac replied, that they will look into the issue.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Fri May 11, 2018 7:05 am

Yes, he replied to me too saying it would be resolved soon.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Mon May 14, 2018 5:51 am

Just curious - what indicated on Kauldron tracks 5 and 6 that lead you to think are what is causing the silence recorded at the end of the song? I could not find anything when I scrolled past the end of the song several hundred measures.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by LSlowak » Mon May 14, 2018 9:50 am

powerobject wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 5:51 am
Just curious - what indicated on Kauldron tracks 5 and 6 that lead you to think are what is causing the silence recorded at the end of the song? I could not find anything when I scrolled past the end of the song several hundred measures.
Hi powerobject,

Since Kauldron plans to provide a fix, please ask him about the reason that causes the problem.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Tue May 29, 2018 9:14 pm

Lars,

Just noticed the same silence issue again while using Cubasis with bs-16i app as AU inside Cubasis on 3 separate tracks along with a few other Cubasis instruments. For a 3 minute song, it recorded the actual 3 minute song PLUS another 6 minutes of silence at the end (recorded a total of 9 minutes duration). No other plugins were used except for the built-in Waves Ultramaximizer on the master track and native Filter and Spin FX effects on one of the bs-16i tracks. Also, noticed that while mixing down, it got stuck at 50% for a long time but finally finished mixdown fast (this fast section could have been the silence part).

Apparently, this is a Cubasis issue as it happened with Kauldron too - as reported before.
Using the latest version of Cubasis on the latest version of iOS on iPad Air 2.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Wed May 30, 2018 4:42 pm

Also, if it helps, I used the "Create Project with MIDI and Audio Track [Template]" in Cubasis while starting this project

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:40 pm

Hi Lars,

Just trying to make sure you saw this message and did not lose it in the clutter or thinking that it is the same old issue. The issue is apparently in Cubasis as I found it again with bs-16i app this time.

Yesterday, I tried mixing down as WAV and it went at normal speed until the progress bar was 100% and then it got stuck there for a long time (for the silence part) and finished - I got the same 6 minute silence at the end of the 3 minute song and a total file size of 155 MB. After I trimmed the 6 minute silence down to actual 3 minute song using an external tool, the size came down to 52 MB. While mixing down as M4A format, it gets stuck at 50% for a long time and then continues to 100% at normal speed of exporting and with the same 6 minute silence at the end.

Can you please confirm that you did see this message and looking into it?

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by McDTracy » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:57 pm

My first Cubasis project has the same issue. I just noticed there a Mixdown Menu Button that says:

"Mixdown between locators."

I set the L and R locators to match the length of my song (which has a few hundred silent bars added at the end unfortunately probably due to adding copies of a long drum track too many times and later deleting all those at the end).

That removed the silence for me which is great because I used several 3rd party IAA's to make the song and I like the way they sound.
I hope this works for others with this issue.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:24 pm

I'm positive there is nothing at the end of the project in the Arranger in my projects and it mixed down with a silence at the end of the exported songs. This happened with 2 different projects using 2 different AU apps. When it happened with Kauldron, we thought its an issue with Kauldron. Then, it happened in my 2nd project where I used bs-16i as AU. Apparently, this is an issue in Cubasis or its New Project Template. Haven't tried this yet in v2.5

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by LSlowak » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:19 pm

powerobject wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:24 pm
I'm positive there is nothing at the end of the project in the Arranger in my projects and it mixed down with a silence at the end of the exported songs. This happened with 2 different projects using 2 different AU apps. When it happened with Kauldron, we thought its an issue with Kauldron. Then, it happened in my 2nd project where I used bs-16i as AU. Apparently, this is an issue in Cubasis or its New Project Template. Haven't tried this yet in v2.5
Hi powerobject,

Using external instruments and or effect plug-ins can easily lead to unwanted "silence" in a mixdown, if Cubasis detects lower volumes.

Please give it a try to set the left and right locator matching to the length of your project, and activate "Mixdown between locators" in the mixdown dialog.

Please let me know about the results.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by powerobject » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:39 pm

Hi Lars,

I can live with mixding between locators as a workaround but I wonder how Cubasis can hear long low volumes beyond the end of the songs:

For an additional 11 minutes on a song that is actually 5 min length
For an additional 6 minutes on a song that is actually 3 minutes long.

Those lengths of silence seem excessive. This never happened before in years of using Cubasis.

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by tja » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:57 pm

I don’t have such a big problem, as it only get for example 2.011 seconds instead of 2.000 (about 2 seconds).

But still, that is a bug:

You can reproduce this easily with any WAV file with a certain length (i used BeatMaker 3 to create a file that is exactly 2.000 seconds), add this as the sole track to Cubasis and use Mixdown with „between locators“ and the resulting WAV will be slightly longer than the original!

When i then cut that last part, the resulting file is very similar to the original, so that it is clear that silence was appended (and not prepended or the whole file stretched).

You can see the details here:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/2749 ... t-too-long

P.S. Doing exactly the same procedure with Auria Pro results in a clean 2.000 seconds file!

There is first a bit discussion but to the end, you can see the screenshots of the facts.

Can you please fix this?

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Re: Silence at the end of the song

Post by tja » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:04 pm

Not much of a response so far ;-)

There came an idea in the AudioBus forum:

Cubasis probably does not cut the audio file after the right amount of samples but after the whole last buffer of 64/128/256 samples finished.
Maybe it's worth to write them an email about it, should be a pretty easy fix.

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