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MPE presets Roli Seaboard

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:43 am
by Peter
I just bought a Roli Seaboard Rise and of course I wanted to try out the MPE presets in Padshop Pro in my Cubase Pro 10.
But to my disappointment those MPE preset sounds in Padshop Pro dont change anything when moving the different MPE dimensions?
Its only note on note off and pitcbend. And the pitchbend are always -2/+2 on the MPE presets, so I have to change them manually to higher values to get the glide between notes on Roli Seaboard.
I think as dedicated MPE presets there should be more happening when playing the five dimension of MPE.
Ive checked the Studio settings, and my Roli Seaboard is correctly identified by Cubase Pro 10 as a NoteExp MPE Device.
Am I missing something here?

Re: MPE presets Roli Seaboard

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:11 pm
by BassMasterK
Hi Peter. I was coming on to post the same thing in the Retrologue forum. I was experiencing similar things when trying my Seaboard with PadShop Pro. I decided to try Retrologue 2 and got better results, it may be because of what things were assigned to but like you, I was underwhelmed with what I was hearing. Unfortunately ROLI support doesn't have any documentation out for tips with Retrologue, PadShop Pro or HALion 6.

I did end up getting it to work, including the slide, without having to reset the bender wheel every time, but I don't have it completely figured out and honestly I am losing the patience to try to figure it out. I need to get back to working on my music. Contrary to what you would normally do for MPE capable synths like Equator, set the MIDI input to 1, not all. Then in the track Inspector, take a look at "Note Expression". It was not visible by default, I had to turn it visible. On the left side of that you will see a column "In" and I see "H", "V", and "P" which appear to correspond to Horizontal, Vertical and Pressure. If you press keys and slide or glide or press harder you will see those flickering/lighting up. I did this with the Retrologue 2 preset Chroma, but it should work the same in PadShop. I was able to change the Pressure from Resonance to Distortion in the mod Matrix and it worked so I know I'm on to something here. All modifications except slide are set up in the mod matrix.

What I couldn't get figured out is this: When you choose a source in the mod matrix, one of the options is Note Expression. This opens a drop down menu with 8 options. The last two were assigned to NE7 which appears to be V-Vertical, and NE8 was the one assigned to P-Pressure. NE8 was the one I changed to distortion and it worked. What I can't figure out is how to assign anything to the first 6 slots in this drop down. If I could figure that out I could assign things to the three sliders and the X/Y pad and I think I would be good to go. The Horizontal seems to be reserved for tuning/slide, I don't even see a way to change that although I wouldn't want to. I also don't understand why the MIDI channel needs to be set to 1 and how it works this way when that doesn't fly with Equator.

Hope this is helpful and good luck. If you figure out more, please reply here. I think at some point I will just ROFM a bit more and see if I can't get that last bit to work right, but today isn't the day.

Re: MPE presets Roli Seaboard

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:53 pm
by BassMasterK
Okay, I couldn't leave it alone and I figured it out for the most part. I was being an idiot with regards to the three sliders and the x/y pad. Those you just right click on a parameter and do a "Learn CC" and that is that. Also I failed to mention in addition to just selecting MIDI channel 1, I selected "SeaboardRISE49(NoteExp) for the input rather than the normal "SeaboardRISE49". I'm not positive if you have to do this but that is how mine is set up right now and it is working.

What I am not seeing as an option are the other two of the five dimensions, Strike and Lift. They don't appear to be programmed in to the default Seaboard 49 configuration that is built into Cubase 10 Pro. At this point it is working well enough for me that I'm going to call it good. Hope you find this helpful.

Re: MPE presets Roli Seaboard

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:13 pm
by Peter
Hi BassMasterK, I read your post now first.
Thank you very much, the solution was to choose "SeaboardRISE49(NoteExp)"
With that setting I got the control over the three dimension I was expecting in Padshop pro.
You are right that the strike and lift are not there, but as you say, its well enough for me too.