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how satisfied are you with your cmc controller.

in the beginning when the cmc was introduced i saw some post on some random site,s.
people saying that the where not satisfied about the outcome of the cmc controller.
the cmc controller looking like a toy and people wanting a bigger controller.
what is the opinion ride now ant are there still things that steinberg needs to work on.

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I am satisfied with it. Works, looks and feels very good.
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Cmc-ai is a bit of a fail for me, as i have ongoing problems getting it to acknowledge/work with 3rd party vst3 plugins like Steinberg states it does.

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I heard about that problem and highly recommend the QC.
You also only have to leave your cursor on a parameter, press the
learn button on the QC, move the hardware knob and that's it.
Plus you have eight knobs which are very useful to tweak stuff plus
the parameter is locked to the knob 'til you make it learn an other one.

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Yeah but they are just basic quick controls.

Simply put...the product i bought does not work the way it was advertised...it's that simple.

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Well, buying Steinberg hardware is always a buyer beware situation. The history has been to create and vacate. These controllers are are actually OKish. But, it depends on what you want to do with them. I have a CH and QC. I've disconnected both and put them in the closet. Here are a few observations:

CH: Using the computer keyboard is way faster. The only way I think this would not be true is if you ditch the keyboard and get a big bank of controllers. If you are even moderately competent using your keyboard the CH is a waste.

QC: Among other annoyances, the lack of a toggle for fine mode makes this unit useless for performance automation. Every time I want to use it, I need 2 hands. Which is very difficult when also trying to play a synth/keyboard.

In essence these are good ideas. However, the implementations of each of the controllers seems to be lacking in some fundamental way that makes them significantly less than optimal. The lack of meaningful updates is worrisome.
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I'm overall satisfied. I guess it depends on what your needs are.
For me these things works better than the other equipment I had before.
Which was only a Master Keyboard with its knobs and stuff that I used with the GR.
But that doesn't mean that it'd be the best choice for everybody.
I guess the best way to make sure if those controllers fit you, is to
try them at a local store. That's what I did and I don't regret buying them.
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No1DaBeats wrote:..I guess the best way to make sure if those controllers fit you, is to
try them at a local store. That's what I did and I don't regret buying them.
I agree with you on this for most equipment but...the problem with trying the Cmc-Ai at a local store or whatever is realistically the chances of them having all the plugins you own installed on their shop system is very unlikely.

So you have to take the product at its advertised word until you get it home and if you buy some new plugins in the future that its supposed to work with, and it doesn't, too bad because you may have gone past your return date.

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Looking forward to the next controller design from Steinberg.

Hopefully with 8 faders, well built, well designed display/metering LEDs, with nicely designed real faders I can grab, and move, smart-function knobs, buttons, .... and much more. Just one USB cable to plug into my computer, and easy to setup, just Plug the USB cable, and you are good to mix, and control.

I passed on the CMC series.


Bottom line... I Just need one professional looking controller surface from Steinberg, not a whole bunch of plastic small modules.

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Muziksculp wrote:Looking forward to the next controller design from Steinberg.

Hopefully with 8 faders, well built, well designed display/metering LEDs, with nicely designed real faders I can grab, and move, smart-function knobs, buttons, .... and much more. Just one USB cable to plug into my computer, and easy to setup, just Plug the USB cable, and you are good to mix, and control.

I passed on the CMC series.


Bottom line... I Just need one professional looking controller surface from Steinberg, not a whole bunch of plastic small modules.

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In my case I like that these controllers are lightweighted and small.
So I can split 'em up and take the ones that I need for a recording with me.
And about the one-cable-thing... There are cheap USB hubs on the market that
actually do a pretty good job. I hope they will keep up the thought of modular controllers.
I really like 'em and use 'em all the time.

The new interfaces and controllers in co-op with Yamaha are very good.
There are a lotta positive critics about them in the web now and as I use 'em
myself I can approve that.

But still... I gotta say you're right. There should be another huge controller
for larger studios that provides the features that are needed there.
But I hope they keep up the CMC product line, too.

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i just bought it and it seems a waiste of money
gona return it tm

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Give it a chance and work with it at least at one project.
Which one did you buy?
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qc,fd and ch and upgrade to cubase elements.
but i already saw qc isnt supported and FDis partly supported

is there anything special i need to do inside of cubase to get this working?

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How can you buy an upgrade to elements?
Isn't it already the lowest of all versions???
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you get a free version when u buy the hardware, then u can upgrade to elements for 40 euro

should these controllers work without any setup in cubase?

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They actually do in my version of Cubase.
There's nothing to configure. But you should
install the latest drivers and I guess there was
a firmware update. But have a look at the specs on
the product page. Maybe there's a list of the supported
features in the different versions.
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when i click the + sign in device setup and click a unit it doesnt add it
http://www.steinberg.net/fileadmin/reda ... _chart.pdf

when i try a firmware update it says: cmc not detected

when i connect em 1 by 1 im able to upgrade firmware.
gona test it again
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You have 'em on a hub? The bus power isn't strong enough
to power three of 'em. Should be at least a hub with an extra
power supply. Try to connect just one at the usb port of your computer
and see if it works.
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it switched them to a powered hub and its working fine after upgrading the firmware.

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Nice. Have fun! :)
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koetje wrote:i just bought it and it seems a waiste of money
gona return it tm
Hopefully Steinberg will introduce a Pro-Quality Controller in the near future ! With solid, and good feeling 8 faders, 8 knobs, a smart knob for scrolling, and colorful LEDs, and much more, easy plug-and-automate, and good for working with VSTs both Steinberg's and 3rd-party. and other cool features. I don't mind paying a reasonable amount for it if it existed, it will be a big workflow booster in the studio, and hopefully looks cool too.

I passed on the CMC controllers. (was a big downer for me, looks too toyish/plastic to my taste, and needs).

Let's hope Steinberg is reading these posts.

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I say it again:

They should keep this product line but should also
come up with a controller like you described.

The CMCs aren't toyish to me. They look and feel pretty good
and are defenitely not a waste of money.

They actually do a pretty good job here so if you passed them on
and are waiting for something else, it's ok. But don't judge over
this product as you don't even use it.

I'm working in a studio with a Pro Tools System and a D-Controll
sometimes and I am not the only person there who catches himself
NOT even using it but using the mouse and keyboard instead all the time.
So that's a waste of money for me, when you discover that you spent
thowsands of dollars for a huge controller but are faster with a mouse.

I also still use the mouse in my studio but I'm using the CMCs a lot and
they do speed up my workflow. That's the most important thing using a controller.
Not a fancy blingbling look that let's people think they entered a spaceshuttle when
they visit you at your studio.
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I would agree with a need for a single controller that does it all. I actual still use my old Houston, mainly for automation/faders. Still works great and is still supported in C7. Would love to see an upgrade on that hardware concept.
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resomedia wrote:I would agree with a need for a single controller that does it all. I actual still use my old Houston, mainly for automation/faders. Still works great and is still supported in C7. Would love to see an upgrade on that hardware concept.
I agree !
Something between CC121 , CMC and NUAGE - between 1000 and 3000 euro range !
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I think the modular approach is a pretty good and flexible concept. You only need to buy what you need.

I was using a contour shuttlexpress and a behringer BCF2000, but since I upgraded my PC and went Windows 7 64bit, I can't get either to work anymore, even with the latest drivers - it seems,at least for the BCF that they never updated BCView and I assume it doesn't work under 64bit.

So, it looks like I'll be considering the CMC controllers soon (once the drivers have been updated for C7-64.
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