UPDATING THE OLD OP SYSTEMS ON PMAC G4 867MHz FOR NUENDO 2.2

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UPDATING THE OLD OP SYSTEMS ON PMAC G4 867MHz FOR NUENDO 2.2

Post by malmes » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:36 am

this is an option. I will try . I put a 150 gb id hard disk (2nd hand) on pmac g4 ,and would like to know for what version of nuendo can I update if OS X 10.5 is running on g4 ? I have 2.2 (cd,dvd ) version. troubles on dell 690 precision were so hard that I had to reformat the hd. it was running windows xp sp2, all the pci cards crashed but I will not change this operational system. as the home studio here is underground and copper bars for electricity ground are at its same height ,a ray got inside and computers ( maybe a strong magnetic camp ,who knows ? ) unfortunately were connected to electricity ,during a mine period of disease... So I have to remake some systems,reinstall all systems and the registered softwares. Not easy.... all 4 the video monitors are smashed.. 3 of them with troubles but still working..
I think the main trouble for digital music today is the access to internet. if you have to reinstall the system and have an old browser you are in serious troubles, indeed . a solution is the access to internet via another computer and download the updates on a cd,dvd,pendrive,flash media or external hd through an internal net ( if ip' adress filtering for downloads allows ). is it possible ? I hope so..
pmac g4 867 MHz here uses to 2 pci cards : hdsp 9652 and delta 1010lt ... yes ,it does many works with OS X 10,3 today installed.Why do I do those questions? In 2003 when I bought pmac g4 and nuendo 2.2 , Steinberg offered by its site a compatibility chart where the user could compare the machines, operational systems and compatible softwares . It was easy for consulting . Today it doesn't happen.
Does steinberg sell an update for a new configuration using OS X 10.5 with an old version of nuendo ?
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Post by malmes » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:04 am

more about digital music : today few persons have $ to buy everything each 3,4 years. computers,softwares,hardwares etc . If you can do it, fine.. but if you have the support for maintaining your already working system, it is better.. Maybe digital factories (steinberg,avid etc ) should think about this.. : digital subsystems which are outside internet ( old browsers) , but work.. they do music, but cannot do a direct contact with digital factories, to maintain dongle,autentication of ilok etc

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Post by malmes » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:47 am

more about urban home studios : they have 2 sections ,one for working with headphones and other for live recordings and live trials with real voices, instruments etc. The last section have acoustic isolation. With the actual silence laws in many countries the home studios are a good solution. 2 decades ago the musicians used to do that job at rural areas..so they could use the amplifiers ( marshall etc) without troubles with neighbors .. Virtual music opened new possibilities but created a serious trouble : it's too much expensive. In Brazil a new system using Mac (newest computer ,softwares ,thunderbolt hardwares ) costs today 15000 us$... So many musicians today prefer their own voices, a flute or acoustic guitar on a urban home studio to play music , experiment an erudite score with friends also musicians, and record on cheap or digital subsystems .. without disturbing the neighbors, troubles with police etc..
ok ? greetings from Brazil , with love to the beautiful women around the planet. stop the wars .the number of women and female youngsters raped during the wars didn't change . will it diminish or finish ? was lili Marleen ( by h schultze,1939 ) a lgbt personage ? humm.. sexual freedom is a human right . between 1964-85, military regimen in Brazil , schultz meant salaam .. associated to sauerkraut , as a very strange symbolic medicine.
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Post by -steve- » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:20 pm

Only the latest versions for the software are available for sale.

I can't totally understand what you're saying. But if Nuendo 2.2 worked on your MacOS 10.6, keep using it.

Or just write one sentence to say what you are asking. Your commentary about life and living in Brasil is interesting though.

Also, for a cheaper option, build a PC, of course. I run a 6 year old system, it's not bad at all.

You are limiting your horizons if you are sending love only to the beautiful women of the world. :ugeek:
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Post by Fredo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:57 am

-steve- wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:20 pm

You are limiting your horizons if you are sending love only to the beautiful women of the world. :ugeek:

No beautiful women over here.
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Post by -steve- » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:42 pm

:lol:
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Post by Romantique Tp » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:07 pm

The last version to support your Mac is Nuendo 4, but to use it you would have to buy a new Nuendo 8 license which is going to be very expensive.

Depending on what kind of work you do, it might be better to just buy Cubase Pro 9.5 instead. Nuendo is a post-product tool, while Cubase is made for music. Cubase can open your old Nuendo projects.

Note that it's not 1998 anymore, computers aren't becoming obsolete as fast as they used to. If you buy a powerful Windows machine, it should easily least 10 years or more.

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A última versão que funciona no seu Mac é o Nuendo 4, mas para usá-lo você vai ter que comprar uma licença nova do Nuendo 8, que vai sair bem caro.

Dependendo do tipo de trabalho que você faz, pode ser melhor só comprar o Cubase Pro 9.5. O Nuendo é uma ferramenta de pós-produção, enquanto o Cubase é feito para música. O Cubase pode abrir seus projetos antigos do Nuendo.

Note que não é mais 1998, computadores não estão se tornando obsoletos tão rápido quanto costumavam. Se você comprar uma máquina poderosa com Windows, ela fácilmente dura 10 anos ou mais.
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Post by malmes » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:02 am

obrigado romantique tp, estou tentando remontar as coisas por aqui. a apple diz q o pmac g4 867 MHz funciona no osx 10.5 ,e assim é melhor continuar usando o nuendo 2.2 no osx 10.3 como 1 subsistema digital (fora da internet). tocar o barco.. Não creia que computadores hoje duram 10 anos ou +. isto é uma falácia. em 5 anos o browser deixa de acessar a internet... pra acessar hoje a internet com o Dell 690 precision comprado em 2008 eu tenho d usar o Chrome porque o internet explorer no xp não faz o serviço.. e assim não vai dar pra fazer a manutenção em pouco tempo porque a google também deixou de fazer o suporte. Eu sequer consigo acessar o site da Nvidia pra baixar os drivers da gforce que está instalada no pmac g4. Quanto as risadinhas de outras pessoas..bom, podem rir porque o bicho está pegando. várias fábricas digitais estão fechando e pagar 15 mil us$ ( com impostos incluídos ) por 1 novo sistema de áudio digital é pra poucos... Vocês foram informados que a fábrica da Gibson (guitarras elétricas) também vai fechar ? a tc electronics deixou d fabricar vários equipamentos.. o q eu digo é que nós músicos temos de tentar interferir nesse processo. repensar o fazer música hoje em dia..e como fazer. A internet deveria ser 1 serviço público internacional, acessível à todas as máquinas e sistema operacionais. mac, windows ou linux , desde o windows 95 no 233 MHz ,Os classic etc .. Seria bem mais democrática do que é hoje...e teríamos + idéias circulando na rede do que acontece hoje. Não acredito que o iOS ou Android vão funcionar nos atuais smartphones daqui a 4 anos .. O modem-browser seria uma solução para os computadores ? quem sabe..
Eu estou digitando de 1 MacBook Pro 2,9 GHz intel core i7 com logic pro x 10.4 e Sierra. Estou tentando montar 1 subsistema digital com 1 akai mpk 225 pra controlar 1 mt 32 roland e o sd-20 Canvas edirol via midi . Só áudio na saída. Mas como usa-lo através 1 sequencer numa daw ? O meu sequencer eletrônico é o qx 21 Yamaha que usa o mesmo método de sequenciamento dos primeiros mac dos anos 1980. O nuendo 2,2 teoricamente faz o serviço , no pmac g4 867 MHz "diz" o site da akai. Vou tentar primeiro no xp sp2 depois d re-instalar todos os softwares .. Por isso a tabela de compatibilidades é hiper útil.. Além disso há sempre o risco de ter de re-instalar o sistema operacional ,recuperar a licença etc.. Felizmente o MacBook Pro (comprado em 2013) com o Duet Apogee não foi afetado pela descarga elétrica ( se é que foi mesmo uma descarga elétrica) e ainda é capaz de contato direto via internet ...Foi o único q saiu incólume. O snow leopard osx 10.6 custa 15 us$ na apple Brasil , com frete grátis.
abraços

1998 : eu m lembro bem da época. eu trabalhava desde 1996 num acer 233 MHz com w95 e tive os primeiros contatos com softwares d sequenciamento digital ,q no Brasil ainda não eram vendidos. o 233 precisava do boot no ms dos com tanta frequência q tive d reformatar o hd . Tive d instalar o w98 e quando fui acessar a internet, via pulso telefônico , programas como o icq (online social network) tinham desaparecido. Até hj não entendi o q houve.. Tamanhas eram as dificuldades q desisti da música virtual até 2003 ,quando comprei o pmac g4 867 MHz .. Mas os softwares (demo) de sequenciamento (drums) para windows 95 ainda estão guardados. fazem parte d 1 subsistema digital.. Memórias.
- ah, sim.. o akaipro mpk225 ( teclado controlador midi ) é ótimo. Quando eu tiver 1 tempo vou tentar conecta-lo ao cs10 (control station) da j l cooper num subsistema digital puramente eletrônico. Experimentar , fazer o q eu ainda não fiz .. Ter 1 sistema independente das variações bruscas, autofagia e expulsões na internet é sempre bom. Os meios pra se fazer música avançaram muito nas 2 últimas décadas. O q foi ótimo .. No meu curso d graduação (anos 1970, antes do sistema midi ) usavam-se os gravadores d fita magnética ( akai,revox etc ). Então haviam os cortes e colagens d fita.. Boa parte da música concreta ,pierre schaeffer (1910-95) e outros , foi feita dessa forma.. As gravações analógicas tinham o sério problema d acrescentar ruídos à cada regravação . Hoje o sample digital pode ser reproduzido e re-gravado milhares de vezes sem perda da qualidade sonora .Bom não ?.. Quem sabe 1 dia os problemas de latência na gravação digital não serão superados mais facilmente ? Boa viagem pelo tempo ( past,present and future or any route you want : present,future,past etc ) , .. mas com softwares d sequenciamento confiáveis, capazes no caso da notação tradicional de reproduzir os parâmetros do som : altura,duração,timbre e intensidade , com exatidão . Pra q serve ? imagine q vc está com 1 livro de musicologia e precisa ouvir 1 trecho impresso ,coletado no século 16 ou 17 . Vc vai no software insere o timbre armazenado num sample digital e recria algo q talvez não esteja disponível pra ouvir nem na internet. No caso do parâmetro duração os sequenciadores digitais tem d ser capazes d reproduzir quiálteras d 3,5,7, 11.. Por q ? porque não dá pra ignorar a música ocidental d 400 ou 500 anos atrás...nem a música d outros povos ( etnomusicologia ) . Além disso o sequenciamento virtual confiável abre ,mesmo no caso da notação tradicional, possibilidades impossíveis até há algumas décadas atrás para habilidades humanas ,e só possíveis através d máquinas virtuais ou eletrônicas . As possibilidades são inúmeras a partir d 1 software d sequenciamento hábil e confiável . S pode montar ,experimentar, estruturas rítmicas hiper complexas com grandes variações na divisão do tempo , e no forte-fraco ( ritmo e matemática ) , e a partir daí buscar 1 sensorial até hj desconhecido ,também expandindo ramos como a musicoterapia. É uma busca antiga d muitos compositores , pierre boulez(1928-2016), g ligeti (1923-2006) e outros q vem desde a nossa vida em cavernas e presença em locais d acústica refinada , hj possíveis d serem realizadas (ouvidas). / 11-maio-2018 ,le voyageur.

don/t be worried rom tp , programmers can be virtual luthiers. make sounds and noises for our ears ,beyond the audio sampling .. we musicians are ever oscillating between science, technique and magic.. The influence of luthiers was ever great between musicians. Our common roots came from caverns and special locals with echo .. On the acoustic age they , joined with architects, created many ambients (cathedrals) and musical instruments (the famous Stradivarius )for the pleasure of listening. By the 20th century appeared the electronic luthiers ( moog , for instance) and sound engineers . so virtual luthiers have a long long history in music..

sorry steve ,it's my way to send greetings, but thank you for your interest on this trouble here. There are many others..
hello fredo, since k stockhausen (1928-2007) we are searching new ways.. things today are much repetitive . few art. if one is feeling art and music ..searching for, but there's also the intellectual curiosity on music and arts, not only the commercial interest or sensorial search . Excuse me, are you the same fredo,moderator on steinberg forum ( the " temple " of music ) 2004-5 ?
horizons : here in center of South America we are much connected to the sky. nights and distances aren't so cold.
the first birds of morning began to sing ,soon will come the sounds and noises of city.
bye . Possible the real is worse ,and the piece for string quartet and helicopters published by k stockhausen in 1995 can be heard in some parts of planet also with sounds of machine guns shooting.. and the musicians performing 4'33" of j cage, published in 1952, can hear from the stage the sounds of children shouts after a missile attack.. but if the concert occurs in rio de janeiro city-Brazil the performers must stay prudently lay down on the stage floor ,followed by the persons in the auditory, due to the risk of lost bullets from fusil conflicts between police forces and criminals which often cause hundreds of dead every year..

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Post by Fredo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:40 am

Yup

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Post by malmes » Wed May 02, 2018 2:37 am

I think other questions than tecnique must be boarded on this forum : aesthetics and ways of virtual music. here in Brazil 12 tones system and serialism were hardly attacked since the 70ies (20th cent). The new music day after day becomes weak here .. torcuato di tela institute in Argentina was closed by ongania regimen,1970 . militar dictatorship dismissed in 1975 teachers of that kind of music in Brasilia university and imposed the traditional model: orchestra with acoustic instruments, only . Latin-american courses of contemporary music , initiated in 1971 (Uruguay ) , finished in 1989 . The effect seen today is the electronic and virtual music being out of erudite metier. the spaces are occupied only by acoustic instruments .. me and others consider ourselves as outsiders and we aren't dj's , sound engineers or programmers .. The space of electronic and virtual music is in popular music..only . Humm...made by people who don't think about music ,and music isn't only a target of market.. the success on hit parades.. Music can do many other things.. A brazilian teacher , jorge antunes (1942 -) , during a concert in Belgium (years 1970) provoked a riot inside the auditorium : " this isn't music " , said the listeners .I saw similar reactions in erudite concerts in Brazil as well.. Many people don't admit other musical instruments than the acoustic traditional in erudite metier : cello, violin etc.. " 19th century and before ' music ,only " . " no innovation, please " . And the reactions are sometimes violent.. The n-american john cage (1912-92) , 4'33" ( the musicians stay in silence on stage during that time period ) , was a much brave musician and esthete ( erudite counter culture, see also : sound/vacuum ) , but he lived in other epoch . So the spaces for aesthetics discussions and ways of virtual music , 2018 and beyond , must be created...Do you like luciano berio (1925-2003) ? I do. I heard his music in cerro del toro, 1971.
but what does musical erudite metier mean ? it's the deep study of materials , forms and structures used in music. during 400 years musicians did and explored the tonal system till its possible limits ( for the epoch ), reached at the end of 19th centu by r wagner (1813-83) and others. maybe today happens a kind of neglect by the erudite metier about the new electronic and virtual " materials ". it's easy to classify erudite music as the 'classic' only (before 19th century & beginning of 20th) ..instead the search for new musical 'things ',much elaborated , outside the common heard in commercial medias ..
about erudite metier ,musical archeology ; I met in 1989 in mendes- rio de janeiro a guatemalan musician,igor de gandarias(1953-), who used a digital sample of an old native instrument to recreate the music of the group . It was,i think , an invaluable help to that native musical culture, which can go ahead with electronic and (maybe) virtual resources ( brazilian natives -prior 1492- do now their own videos, and had since some decades ago their own writing ,as today quechua writing which didn't existe before europeans arrival ). Electronic and virtual musical resources can expand ,as well , the creativity inside quilombos ,locals where live, since the end of slavery (1888 in Brazil),black persons much poor , but exceptionally sensible to music and dance , on our days excessively limited (except during the carnival) to popular global patterns as hip hop and rap . Good for our ears and eyes , isn't it reader ? Cumbia,for instance , was born in urban black colombian guetos,today can be heard in all Spanish America. If you go to Peru don't lose the sunday inca fair in Pisac (near Cusco).The magic is in the air.. I cured mine disease there (3000 mts height), vertigo no more , and little by little my pineal is coming back. Humm..we cannot hear the voices of humans who lived 10 thousand years from today. is it impossible ? maybe .. The voice timbre of your grand grand grand mother was stored only in the brain of her descendants .. _ " hey child , get yourself far from this horse .."
- a good book : introducción a la música de nuestro tiempo , by juan carlos paz ,published in Buenos Aires,1968 ( 50 years ago ).
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Post by malmes » Mon May 07, 2018 5:16 am

hello everybody - if steinberg change its politics and offer old versions ( licenses ) of nuendo (3,4 ) to sell please notice me : malmes@hotmail.com . pmac g4 867 MHz will thanks..

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Post by malmes » Tue May 15, 2018 1:49 am

hi fredo. Is the person in the photo using this equipment as an amplifier or trying to listen sounds above or below the human audible spectrum (20--20000 cps)? of course other living organisms have different audible spectrum ,but how to detect the sounds they listen but we humans don't? maybe a transposition as those used by wind instrumentalists from infra sounds or ultra sounds to human audible spectrum. after the detection we could hear 2 or 3 octaves above or below the real sound but we could have an idea about what happens out of our audition capabilities... For intense : models of sounds organizations emitted by birds or other animals .. augmenting our knowledge about nature and what happens around us.

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Post by Fredo » Tue May 15, 2018 7:45 am

No. It's just that he is wearing big, huge glasses.
Hence the ears.

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Post by malmes » Wed May 16, 2018 2:03 am

tonal system is structured like a planetary org where gravitational forces act around the keynote . No answer for your questions about virtual ( the possible ) music ( language for sounds and noises ) ? Let's try other dimension : materia . Let's try Russia ,the continuation of Orient Roman Empire over the khanates ,land of Rimsky Korsakov (1844-1908) , Soviet Union, Theremin (1896-1993) and Bolshoi ( the dance for human dolls . Humans trying to reach the perfection of machines ,energized by gearing as those of clocks ) ,and the ice-cream cathedrals ( architecture for hard winters ).
_ there ,where the lights makes a curve and returns for a watcher as a snake ,on its sinuous way through the universe . But it ,few on few , loses its energy and becomes sounds.
- the snake delays too much to appear, mother..
_ maybe it encountered a black hole light eater.., the dark is fine to rest, sleep and dream .
- you're correct .I would like to see it again on a new multicolored skin.
the old lamp on the table of police station.

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