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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by AP » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:56 pm

jpgtr wrote:
AP wrote:Well Apple's revenue for 2013 was around $120. Billions. Yamaha's revenue was around $366. Billions and about 74% of that was from musical instruments. I think Cubase is here to stay :D
If you're referring to the report linked below, software isn't even listed in the chart. If fact, under "net sales of Musical Instruments/Audio Equipment", I would presume it to fall under "others", which was the only segment to lose revenue that year ( -1.3) :o

If that's the case, the numbers don't lie; Steinberg's old school distribution model is skating Cubase away from the puck.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... HdxEvL2GDg

I hear you but any intelligent business person would understand that it would be easy for yamaha to bundle cubase with a Yamaha products or Native Instruments and the list goes on and on but so far it looks like cubase is leading in popularity.
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by jpgtr » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:10 pm

Just to be clear... I only (rhymes with) *witch* about the lack of vision regarding moving towards a modernized distribution model because I do care and want Cubase to be around a while. Bundling free software does not equate toward long-term viability. Gotta turn a profit to justify continued R&D. And right now, that looks like pushing frequent paid updates. How long before we're strong-armed into an Adobe-style subscription model?
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by sycophant » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:01 pm

jpgtr wrote:Just to be clear... I only (rhymes with) *witch* about the lack of vision regarding moving towards a modernized distribution model because I do care and want Cubase to be around a while.
Too many real composers (not posers like on this forum) not saying it is you.. at all, rely on Cubase, myself included to fashion their ideas into musical creations.

Besides, genuine professionals do not come to the forum, they drop into HQ.

It may be a pity that they can't spare a few words now and then but even if they did it would be anon.

Fact is most of the tips and tricks I pick up are from people here who do it for a living, maybe not famous people but nonetheless profficient undertakers who for all intents and purposes probably work on advertising jingles or in their local school but now and then I do get instruction from names I can't even remember.

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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by sycophant » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:50 pm

AP wrote:
jpgtr wrote:
AP wrote:Well Apple's revenue for 2013 was around $120. Billions. Yamaha's revenue was around $366. Billions and about 74% of that was from musical instruments. I think Cubase is here to stay :D
If you're referring to the report linked below, software isn't even listed in the chart. If fact, under "net sales of Musical Instruments/Audio Equipment", I would presume it to fall under "others", which was the only segment to lose revenue that year ( -1.3) :o

If that's the case, the numbers don't lie; Steinberg's old school distribution model is skating Cubase away from the puck.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... HdxEvL2GDg

I hear you but any intelligent business person would understand that it would easy for yamaha to bundle cubase with a Yamaha products or Native Instruments and the list goes on and on but so far it looks like cubase is leading in popularity.
It should be bundled since that allows successive generations of musicans and producers to get on board.

It also allows the poor to secure an up to date system without breaking the bank.

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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by Patanjali » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:37 am

jpgtr wrote:I would presume it to fall under "others"
More likely:
a) 'AV/IT' = 15.1%, or
b) 'Electronic Devices', which includes "Software technologies for middleware and content development tools" = 4.1%

The latter lost money overall! At the price for Logic, Apple is probably losing on it, but is using it as a loss leader for their higher end hardware sales.

@jpgtr, 366 billion Yen =~ US$3.6 billion, so Apple is well ahead in overall sales, and certainly in the US and Europe, which only represent ~15% each of Yamaha's sales.

We still don't know what % of each company their DAW software sales are, nor what their continued viability is. Can hardly measure penis sizes if no-one takes them out!


From the Digital Music Doctor DAW shootout, which is basically a tally of all the features across all audio-related possibilities, Cubase still covers all bases the most, as it has done for many years, and is one of the reasons we went for it.

We had originally intended to go for Logic, as our two contracted musicians had it, but got put off because Apple bought out eMagic, and promptly stopped the PC versions in their tracks, basically telling users, buy Apple or get lost.

Some here may remember the sudden influx of angry Logic users to the old forums, and the continual whining about how Cubase did not work like Logic.

As I needed Windows for my IT related work, and was not trustful of a company that was willing to mass ditch loyal customers for ideological reasons, Cubase was the obvious way to go, given that we did not know what we might need in the future. Changing DAWs is a very non-trivial undertaking.
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by bjones306 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:54 am

Am I the only one that finds this just a tad bit comical? You don't exactly have to be the Rockefellers to afford an upgrade that might cost $100-$200 every year and a half or so...... I mean, is money really THAT tight? Skip a couple dinners out or a few dates at the movies these days and bam, you can afford the upgrade. It really just seems like such a trivial bone to pick for what are in some cases huge innovations in workflow and changes that make our life as users easier. And again.... if it's REALLY breaking your bank..... no one is forcing you, just don't upgrade. There is nothing stopping you from staying on the same platform you are currently on.... Is this seriously a major concern?
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by iBM » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:25 pm

bjones306 wrote:Is this seriously a major concern?
No
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by Easto » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:14 pm

I'm sticking with Ver5. It runs perfectly on my Win7-64bit machine, never had a crash (Never) and it does exactly what I need it to do. I waited from Ver3 until I saw some features and upgrades that I thought would be useful in my situation. I am not a professional, just a bedroom composer. I can't see myself upgrading for a very long time. Ver5 does what I need it to do.

I do agree with the OP premise. It does seem like the new versions do come out too fast. But I guess that has been addressed throughout this thread already and I have nothing new to say.

Now... how do I navigate back to the Ver5 forum?

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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by Buchanan » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:17 pm

Now... how do I navigate back to the Ver5 forum?
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by iBM » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:00 pm

Easto wrote:Now... how do I navigate back to the Ver5 forum?
You, are the Cubase 5 forum :mrgreen:
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by Patanjali » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:13 pm

iBM wrote:You, are the Cubase 5 forum :mrgreen:
LOL, for real! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: why so many new versions so fast

Post by bjones306 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:34 am

Easto wrote:I'm sticking with Ver5. It runs perfectly on my Win7-64bit machine, never had a crash (Never) and it does exactly what I need it to do. I waited from Ver3 until I saw some features and upgrades that I thought would be useful in my situation. I am not a professional, just a bedroom composer. I can't see myself upgrading for a very long time. Ver5 does what I need it to do.

I do agree with the OP premise. It does seem like the new versions do come out too fast. But I guess that has been addressed throughout this thread already and I have nothing new to say.

Now... how do I navigate back to the Ver5 forum?

But this is exactly my point..... no one has a gun to your head forcing you to update.... I would guess that you have at least looked at ver 6 or 7 and decided that the changes that have been made just weren't worth the money you would have to spend. And that's perfectly fine. I personally think the workflow in 7 is well worth the money spent on the mixer functions alone. Again, I vote with my dollars. I just don't understand why the OP felt it necessary to raise it as an issue.... Not to mention the cost being pretty cheap to upgrade anyway. There is production based software in some fields that costs thousands of dollars to upgrade on a version to version basis. So even the full retail of cubase is pretty reasonable in my opinion. And if your using it professionally, like some of us are, it's a no brainer as long as the new versions add features that we feel will help with the production process and workflow, and of course not withstanding stability issues.
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