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Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:55 pm
by ChrisW
A good point, Logic Pro and Sonar users don't have the luxury of choosing platforms. I started out on PC, moved to Mac, and have an open choice as far as my next system goes. I'll just say that Cubase has worked well for me on a Mac and I tend not to worry too much about benchmarks.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:08 pm
by jaslan
If you have to take your computer to the Geek Squad every time something goes wrong with it AND you can afford the Mac, go for the MAC. You will sacrifice some control over your computer such as ability to tweak settings, hardware options, software available, and a slight decrease in general performance. Some applications (Logic and Safari, for example) DO run better on Mac than PC. This restrictive environment that Apple products live in has helped them gain their reputation as a more stable, easier to use platform. It is true that if you lock yourself in your closet with an air purifier, you will get sick less often and it is also true that if you have trouble understanding computers, you will find an interface with less buttons and less options easier to use. You won't be targeted by hackers as much because most of the world, and most importantly, most corporations and governments, are on WIndows. They are able to use Windows because they have IT departments with people that understand how to configure, troubleshoot, and repair computers and they don't have to take their computers to the Geek Squad to configure them or diagnose and replace an occasional bad drive, memory card, or fix a conflict between two pieces of hardware or software.

I own an i7 iMac. My wife prefers it (she thinks computers are magic). She calls it, "the Facebook computer". I do use it for surfing, e-mail, etc. But for music (Cubase, Guitar Rig, Reaktor, Kontakt, etc.), I personally prefer the PC. I also admit to occasional gaming such as Skyrim and Unreal Tournament III which are not available (natively at least) on the Mac. I speculate the Mac would struggle with the video requirements anyway.

dark blue man is correct, in my opinion, that PC's do not require prayer to use successfully. They do require a larger working knowledge of computers. I see many more "advanced options" checkboxes on Windows than on OSX. It is my opinion, that Apple decided since most users are more likely to screw things up using advanced options, they just took them away. I would rather have the options.

I used to wonder why everyone who raves about Apple seemed to be saying the same things about the switch from Windows, right down to emphasizing the same syllables. "Everything just works on a Mac.", "I was tired of the endless updates on Windows.", "Windows kept getting viruses and crashing." When I got the iMac I figured out why. If you film the screen in slow motion, every 60th frame displays these chants (its in greyscale so its hard to see, but it's there.) I also found it strange that most people I meet, when they pull out their MacBook start defending it right away. Somewhat like a guy who drives up in a mini-van and gets out saying (before anyone else says anything), "It's my wife's. She needed it to take the kids to soccer practice."

Another good advantage to a Mac is that if you have any friends with electric cars or solar panels on their roof, you can show them your Mac and they will like you more.

I hope this helps.
Sincerely,
J.L.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:13 pm
by Guest
children children this argument will carry through the other side of the apocalypse ,what about ATARI ???????

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:34 pm
by Jarno
filterfreak wrote:what about ATARI ???????
Amiga is better!

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:54 pm
by Guest
Jarno wrote: Amiga is better!
right that's it , it's WAR !!!!!! :D :D

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:27 pm
by papi61
Rumdrum wrote:

Grow up.
The last resort of the fanboi emotionally attached to his toy after he loses an argument: insults and slander. Thank you for proving my point. But then again, it's not like you can defend your position any other way.

No matter how much you keep slandering Mr. Curigliano's benchmarks, remember that you have only provided very dubious anecdotal stories, contradicted by many people here, including the Apple users I quoted (you see, you CAN be a user and not a fanboi like you.) And the more you insult him, the more your credibility goes south. If you ever had any. Frankly, I haven't seen it.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:33 pm
by Rumdrum
papi61 wrote:
Rumdrum wrote:

Grow up.
The last resort of the fanboi emotionally attached to his toy after he loses an argument: insults and slander. Thank you for proving my point. But then again, it's not like you can defend your position any other way.

No matter how much you keep slandering Mr. Curigliano's benchmarks, remember that you have only provided very dubious anecdotal stories, contradicted by many people here, including the Apple users I quoted (you see, you CAN be a user and not a fanboi like you.) And the more you insult him, the more your credibility goes south. If you ever had any. Frankly, I haven't seen it.
I give up. I can´t fight ignorance.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:54 pm
by dark blue man
Jarno wrote:
filterfreak wrote:what about ATARI ???????
Amiga is better!
I have fond memories of the Amiga and often wish I'd kept it out of nostalgia (same goes for my 1969 Strat and my Gibson SG standard, but that's another story, sigh!). But It got me started making music. All I had to begin with' was a home brewed MIDI interface and a Roland U20 and a ridiculously complicated sequencer called Music X..... memories :ugeek:

But alas, someone had the foresight to include a built in MIDI interface with the Atari, which made them popular with musos and the rest is history, isn't it? Still, just the mention of the Amiga stings these memories.

If some had told me the that thirty years later we'd be doing what we do now it would have sounded like magic.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:08 am
by dark blue man
Rumdrum wrote:
papi61 wrote:
Rumdrum wrote:

Grow up.
The last resort of the fanboi emotionally attached to his toy after he loses an argument: insults and slander. Thank you for proving my point. But then again, it's not like you can defend your position any other way.

No matter how much you keep slandering Mr. Curigliano's benchmarks, remember that you have only provided very dubious anecdotal stories, contradicted by many people here, including the Apple users I quoted (you see, you CAN be a user and not a fanboi like you.) And the more you insult him, the more your credibility goes south. If you ever had any. Frankly, I haven't seen it.
I give up. I can´t fight ignorance.
Sorry to report this but you gave up when you told him to "grow up". The ad hominem fallacy is always the last refuse in any debate. Please take that as a point of order, not a personal attack.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:49 am
by Miki
@edz: If you don't mind rolling up your sleeves and building your own PC, I'd suggest you do it. If you decide to go hackintosh, you'll have to do some research and purchase hardware that's compatible with the MAC OS. It takes a little work to get OSX running on a Hackintosh platform, but well worth it if you don't want to spend the money for a true blue MAC. My personal recommendation is to go with Windows 7 x64. If you make the machine a dual-boot, you can have the best of both worlds.

If you prefer MAC over PC (or vice-versa) that's cool. Use whatever works best for you and use whatever is comfortable for you. Personally, I own a homebrew PC and a MAC mini. I use the PC exclusively for digital music.

But that's me. :) Your Mileage May Vary.

Best,
:Miki.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:36 am
by Steve Helstrip
I have Mac, PC and Hackintosh. I can't use Cubase 7 on any of them without problems!

I prefer Mac over PC. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because the OS is more elegant. That's all it boils down to for me.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:40 am
by Steve Helstrip
I will add that after 20+ years of using Cubase around the clock, I find Mac less troublesome and when I do run into problems, they are nowhere near as sever as those on PC. Let the debate continue!!!

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:40 am
by Guest
dark blue man wrote: If some had told me the that thirty years later we'd be doing what we do now it would have sounded like magic.
what arguing on a thread about which is best ??? :lol:
just be thankful there's a choice kiddy winkles !

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:44 am
by Jarno
Steve Helstrip wrote:but because the OS is more elegant
And you don't think that sentence wasn't fanboyish?

How do you define "elegancy" of an OS? And why do you think MacOS is more "elegant"?

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:26 am
by Mauri
Elektrobolt wrote:Stella Artois has a fine body for any further entertainment.
Now you're talkin' ;) !

Mauri.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:30 am
by Plasuma
Jarno wrote:
Steve Helstrip wrote:but because the OS is more elegant
And you don't think that sentence wasn't fanboyish?

How do you define "elegancy" of an OS? And why do you think MacOS is more "elegant"?
Probably the way it looks.

I guess Windows can also feel a tad clunky ergonomically since there are a couple of common tasks not smoothed out to the point of being at most two-click operations, but that's usually because there are key commands associated with them instead, and people just don't know they exist.


It's either that or subjective preference. Like how OSX handles windowing and fullscreen applications. I hate it, but know a couple guys who like it.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:58 am
by Pete
papi61 wrote: Thank you for proving my point.
You have proven my point plenty in this thread....

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:03 am
by Mauri
Pete wrote:
papi61 wrote: Thank you for proving my point.
You have proven my point plenty in this thread....

What is the point?

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:18 am
by dr4kan
Jarno wrote:
Steve Helstrip wrote:but because the OS is more elegant
And you don't think that sentence wasn't fanboyish?

How do you define "elegancy" of an OS? And why do you think MacOS is more "elegant"?
Look, Windows is just terrible in my opinion: crashes, driver issues, slowness, tons of clicks, no terminal, etc...
I moved to Mac many years ago because of the reliability and stability of OS (sure this is also related to the fact that it has to be compatible with few hardware configurations).

I am not a "fanboyish", but I work with computers and I can assure you that in the professional business (and I am not just talking about music) 90% of people use Macs.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:42 am
by Yutaka
I am still on C6 here, but my experience with W7 x64 + C6 x64 has been a great one. I've used Macs for many years, and made a switch a couple of years ago. I don't know how all those guys run into troubles, but my machine has been performing very well. Maybe had 2 Cubase crashes in a year (I use pretty big VSTi based template for my projects). I consider that as very reliable.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:37 am
by Rumdrum
what arguing on a thread about which is best ???
just be thankful there's a choice kiddy winkles !
Exactly!

For all those who calls MAC useres fanboys: It takes experience to become one. If you're a fanboy of the MAC it is because you prefere it over the alternative. Sometimes there are good arguments for this preference and sometimes it is just a "feeling". It is the same the other way around for the fanboys of PC's. It is like food. Some food have a better taste to some than others, some food can be of documented value to you but not to all people. Some food are good combinations for some but not for all. (If you really are interested in why the two platforms differ, a dive into the Steve Jobs biography might be worth the effort).

My favorite taste when eating Cubase 7 is MAC Pro. I have tasted other meals but they did not appeal to me as much and after trying out several combinations, CB7 and MAC Pro turned out to be the best for my environment too in sence of reduced trouble and headake. Since that is my experience I will continue eating MAC together with Cubase. It is a wonderful combination. Nobody can convince me otherwise. However I have friends and business relations that prefere Cubase with PC. They are satisfied with that. However I must add that I know more people going from PC to MAC than the othere way around, but they (MAC to PC) exist in my environment too! And guess what; wonders of all wonders, there are people out there that prefere things like Protools and even Logic! Can you imagine that!

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:27 pm
by dark blue man
dr4kan wrote:
Jarno wrote:
Steve Helstrip wrote:but because the OS is more elegant
And you don't think that sentence wasn't fanboyish?

How do you define "elegancy" of an OS? And why do you think MacOS is more "elegant"?
Look, Windows is just terrible in my opinion: crashes, driver issues, slowness, tons of clicks, no terminal, etc...
I moved to Mac many years ago because of the reliability and stability of OS (sure this is also related to the fact that it has to be compatible with few hardware configurations).
Evidence? Preferably none anecdotal peer reviewed.
I am not a "fanboyish", but I work with computers and I can assure you that in the professional business (and I am not just talking about music) 90% of people use Macs.
Link? Preferably none anecdotal peer reviewed.
You Really have to be a blind apple fanatic to not see the difference . Most Windows users see the computer as a tool, no different from their toaster, car or lawn mower. An iSheep sees the computer as a fashion statement, a religious icon and some sort of warped symbol for identifying the "superior and enlightened" beings among mankind. And to fulfill their cause, they must act and behave according to the gospel of Steve Jobs in lock step. - Economist


Usage share of operating systems - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Not exactly the most objective source on the internet but a reasonably good guide for most purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_shar ... ng_systems

Your opinion is noted. Pointless, but noted ;)

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:29 pm
by Plasuma
dr4kan wrote:
Jarno wrote:
Steve Helstrip wrote:but because the OS is more elegant
And you don't think that sentence wasn't fanboyish?

How do you define "elegancy" of an OS? And why do you think MacOS is more "elegant"?
Look, Windows is just terrible in my opinion: crashes, driver issues, slowness, tons of clicks, no terminal, etc...
I moved to Mac many years ago because of the reliability and stability of OS (sure this is also related to the fact that it has to be compatible with few hardware configurations).

I am not a "fanboyish", but I work with computers and I can assure you that in the professional business (and I am not just talking about music) 90% of people use Macs.
Hey, don't use bogus statistics, it makes you look bad.

Besides, all those reasons you listed for a Windows machine not working properly are caused by user error. After a fresh install of Windows, if you're getting problems with slowness, clicks, or stability, that's your hardware being whack and you should have done more research about performance and compatibility.

You know, research. That thing professionals do when they want to stay relevant in their field.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:43 pm
by Steve Helstrip
Jarno wrote:
Steve Helstrip wrote:but because the OS is more elegant
And you don't think that sentence wasn't fanboyish?

How do you define "elegancy" of an OS? And why do you think MacOS is more "elegant"?
Hey Jarno, I mean the aesthetics and ergonomics of the OS. Everything is very nicely done on Mac OS, IMO. I have 20+ years of DOS and Windows under my belt, but left that behind 5 years ago for Mac. I still use a PC as a slave running Ensemble. Nothing against them, but wouldn't wish to use one as my main system. That's all.

Re: Cubase on Pc or a Mac ?

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:43 pm
by dr4kan
Plasuma wrote:After a fresh install of Windows...
that's another incredible thing...which seems to be necessary only on Windows.
In 8+ years of Mac user I haven't reinstall the OS a single time.